$215 NLHE MTT Bounty: do we cbet?

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I felt like the loser at this table this point, losing all hands, but ofc this hand is a pretty standard open pre. Ofc they were very happy they could play another pot vs me :)

Now in the previous hands I posted and some real small pot in between, I had been betting the flop all times except when I called 3bet with JJ and folded vs cbet 3better.


With this info might be better to check this flop even when its that dry?
Or would we even consider 3betjam allin this with only 2 overs BD SD and no BD FD. (I probably would play 22, 77, JJ+ AJ by just flatting IP so peaking one more makes more sense and see what he does turn if we dont improve) maybe that?
I ended up folding, but felt also like some fish at this point :)


***** Hand History for Game 17066678891 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $215 USD Buy-in Trny:165414772 Level:3 Blinds-Antes(600/1.2K -150) - Sunday, March 11, 20:39:31 CET 2018
Table Super Sunday Big Bounty Hunter-H. $1M Gtd [PKO]. (165414772) Table #67 (real money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 8/8
Seat 2: GTyOlo ( 96,549 )
Seat 7: Jaciepa ( 177,675 )
Seat 3: L1qu1dF4rt ( 40,475 )
Seat 5: Sav4ik33 ( 108,578 )
Seat 4: ShAAmp00 ( 141,743 )
Seat 1: cirodimarzo ( 67,948 )
Seat 6: hiena10 ( 150,357 )
Seat 8: moneyflowowow ( 116,675 )
Trny:165414772 Level:3
Blinds-Antes(600/1.200 -150)
cirodimarzo posts ante [150]
GTyOlo posts ante [150]
L1qu1dF4rt posts ante [150]
ShAAmp00 posts ante [150]
Sav4ik33 posts ante [150]
hiena10 posts ante [150]
Jaciepa posts ante [150]
moneyflowowow posts ante [150]
Jaciepa posts small blind [600].
moneyflowowow posts big blind [1,200].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to L1qu1dF4rt [ Kd Ad ]
cirodimarzo folds
GTyOlo folds
L1qu1dF4rt raises [3,000]
ShAAmp00 folds
Sav4ik33 folds
hiena10 calls [3,000]
Jaciepa folds
moneyflowowow calls [1,800]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 7h, 2c ]
moneyflowowow checks
L1qu1dF4rt bets [3,600]
hiena10 calls [3,600]
moneyflowowow raises [11,400]
L1qu1dF4rt ?
 
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check folding flopwould perhaps cbet if I wasn't so short
after the raise it's a fold of course
 
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Called and reraised, a lot of action for such a dry flop!!

Im done with this hand once he raises. My stack will still be in good shape and all we can do is hope to hit cards, as once they raise us, its doubtful your folding anyone. If the only way to win the hand is to hit cards , Im folding

Flatting seems awful as now your stack is dented, if were making the stand, reraise all in or an amount to shove any turn.
 
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hmm... umm... hmm... :confused:
 
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Wow such an interesting hand. So much goes into it. Thanks for posting. This is how i would look at it.
Preflop everything looks standard nothing much to say there really.
Post flop there is one golden rule when you are shortstacked(20-25BB, which you are not but I think it can still play in this situation) and that is to protect your equity against CR.
Lets say you have here something like AQo and you decide to cbet and get CR on the flop. You can comfortably fold you just have 2 overs and some BDSD equty.
But having AKdd and having to fold here is just awful. If i was here with lets say 50BB+ i cbet 80-85% of my range including AKdd.
Still i think with your 33BB pre you can still comfortably cbet HU but against 2 players i'd probably CC. Also your hands has a lot of turn playability on various cards. You can CR diamonds as it makes some of your best bluffs in that spot, SD,
CC any A, K, and you might get to see a free river as well.
In this particular spot when he CR the flop i still think you have to call when he 3bets this small. If he went bigger you would have to fold. He is representing 2 pairs or better and there are not a lot of combos of those.
If you plug your opening range in flopzilla its mostly A high(like 30%), overcards and then some overpairs, TPs, some middle pairs and random bluffs. Given the fact that you cbet here a lot i can see him CR bluffing here with some gutters,BDSD like QT or even a 7 or a weak J than he wants to get some protection, that you can still beat on some turns and rivers.

The thing is if you fold AKdd here to this raise size i think you are folding too much. You are going to fold all the AKo, AQo and everything else you cbet.
You might even fold something like T9dd or A5dd. So you are basically continuing with TP or better. I think you should have some bluffs on later streets and i think AKdd plays perfectly.
I dont think that i would ever shove over his raise because i think if i had AJ or better i would always just call cause it looks so much stronger given that the flop has no draws. I would maybe shove something like JT or QJ with some BD equity.

Also if you call and end up folding the turn you still have something around 15BB that you can play with.

The math on this one is a little complicated cause there are 2 players that he is raising into but when he raises that small he needs that raise to work only 38% of the time to make it profitable with any 2 cards. RISK(11.400)/RISK+REWARD(11.400+18.000).
REWARD being what is in the pot already.

This is just how i would play this spot and if you disagree with something please do tell cause i find this hand very interesting.
 
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Preflop is definitely fine.

Flop, I get that it's a fairly disconnected board, but it's actually a bit deceptive in that it will connect with gutshots or stronger with villains' calling ranges quite quite often. I think when we hold AK without even a BDFD, I'd be more inclined to check evaluate here.

After the raise, what are we even thinking about? The call alone would make me almost done with the hand, but once we are check raised, we have nowhere near enough equity or reason to continue in the hand. Easy release, and time to reevaluate our multiway cbetting ranges imo.
 
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Wow such an interesting hand. So much goes into it. Thanks for posting. This is how i would look at it.
Preflop everything looks standard nothing much to say there really.
Post flop there is one golden rule when you are shortstacked(20-25BB, which you are not but I think it can still play in this situation) and that is to protect your equity against CR.
Lets say you have here something like AQo and you decide to cbet and get CR on the flop. You can comfortably fold you just have 2 overs and some BDSD equty.
But having AKdd and having to fold here is just awful. If i was here with lets say 50BB+ i cbet 80-85% of my range including AKdd.
Still i think with your 33BB pre you can still comfortably cbet HU but against 2 players i'd probably CC. Also your hands has a lot of turn playability on various cards. You can CR diamonds as it makes some of your best bluffs in that spot, SD,
CC any A, K, and you might get to see a free river as well.
In this particular spot when he CR the flop i still think you have to call when he 3bets this small. If he went bigger you would have to fold. He is representing 2 pairs or better and there are not a lot of combos of those.
If you plug your opening range in flopzilla its mostly A high(like 30%), overcards and then some overpairs, TPs, some middle pairs and random bluffs. Given the fact that you cbet here a lot i can see him CR bluffing here with some gutters,BDSD like QT or even a 7 or a weak J than he wants to get some protection, that you can still beat on some turns and rivers.

The thing is if you fold AKdd here to this raise size i think you are folding too much. You are going to fold all the AKo, AQo and everything else you cbet.
You might even fold something like T9dd or A5dd. So you are basically continuing with TP or better. I think you should have some bluffs on later streets and i think AKdd plays perfectly.
I dont think that i would ever shove over his raise because i think if i had AJ or better i would always just call cause it looks so much stronger given that the flop has no draws. I would maybe shove something like JT or QJ with some BD equity.

Also if you call and end up folding the turn you still have something around 15BB that you can play with.

The math on this one is a little complicated cause there are 2 players that he is raising into but when he raises that small he needs that raise to work only 38% of the time to make it profitable with any 2 cards. RISK(11.400)/RISK+REWARD(11.400+18.000).
REWARD being what is in the pot already.

This is just how i would play this spot and if you disagree with something please do tell cause i find this hand very interesting.


When are you playing next?
 
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On a dry or wet board, I would raise on that flop with AJ, 77, and 22 because I have the best hand and I want to build up the pot in case you have over pair here sometimes. I think your fold is fine; I have been in this situation many time calling with AK, hitting the A on the turn, and have to pay an All In on the river (bad poker in my opinion).
 
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