$215 NLHE MTT: 4bet call an allin or flat 3bet from the BB

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Sorry villain was the SB :)


This is actually first hand I played so I might have played it a bit passive pre. As based on position this hand is a real monster. In end this hand haunted me , cause I never got any feet on this table and play some poker, this feeling obv biased on endresult :(

Get JJ on the button make a healthy open and get 3betted from the SB.


Do we flat ?
Make 4bet to like 26-30k? maybe a different sizing. And calling of any 5betshove?
Cant believe fold is an viable option here :)


As played the flop is a standard fold?


***** Hand History for Game 17066425762 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $215 USD Buy-in Trny:165414772 Level:1 Blinds-Antes(500/1K -125) - Sunday, March 11, 20:04:43 CET 2018
Table Super Sunday Big Bounty Hunter-H. $1M Gtd [PKO]. (165414772) Table #67 (real money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 8/8
Seat 7: Jaciepa ( 104,200 )
Seat 3: L1qu1dF4rt ( 98,000 )
Seat 5: Sav4ik33 ( 99,500 )
Seat 4: ShAAmp00 ( 122,000 )
Seat 1: cirodimarzo ( 99,500 )
Seat 6: hiena10 ( 99,500 )
Seat 2: joelalorxxl ( 77,000 )
Seat 8: moneyflowowow ( 100,300 )
Trny:165414772 Level:1
Blinds-Antes(500/1.000 -125)
cirodimarzo posts ante [125]
joelalorxxl posts ante [125]
L1qu1dF4rt posts ante [125]
ShAAmp00 posts ante [125]
Sav4ik33 posts ante [125]
hiena10 posts ante [125]
Jaciepa posts ante [125]
moneyflowowow posts ante [125]
ShAAmp00 posts small blind [500].
Sav4ik33 posts big blind [1,000].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to L1qu1dF4rt [ Js Jh ]
hiena10 folds
Jaciepa folds
moneyflowowow folds
cirodimarzo folds
joelalorxxl folds
L1qu1dF4rt raises [3,000]
ShAAmp00 raises [9,500]
Sav4ik33 folds
L1qu1dF4rt calls [7,000]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, 8d, Tc ]
ShAAmp00 bets [7,260]
L1qu1dF4rt will be using their time bank for this hand.
L1qu1dF4rt ?
 
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Is there any merit to making a smaller 3bet like 19-21Kish but Im not sure what I would be trying to accomplish. Can I let it go for 22bb if he make it 50ish after. Is there a way I can confidently know Im beat here without risking half my stack pf. Cause I agree once you make that 3bet bigger, This is all going in if he 4bets

EDIT- with that logic (smaller 3bet), flatting might be the better option. I mean we are deep we want to see a flop, no reason to run 5 sitting this nice.
 
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I haven't play such a big buy in tournament yet but the common sense says that you played the hand pretty rational. We have no reads on the opponents and as I see, is the first level of the tournament. He could have easily woken up with pocket AA , KK , QQ all those hands can beat you.
JJ ok, it is such a nice hand but it is not the absolute starting holding in order to 4bet him or play for stacks preflop. The board had an A maybe you could called the cbet because you had the privilege being in position but if he had second barreled it would be a total fold for me.
 
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Sorry villain was the SB :)


This is actually first hand I played so I might have played it a bit passive pre. As based on position this hand is a real monster. In end this hand haunted me , cause I never got any feet on this table and play some poker, this feeling obv biased on endresult :(

Get JJ on the button make a healthy open and get 3betted from the SB.


Do we flat ?
Make 4bet to like 26-30k? maybe a different sizing. And calling of any 5betshove?
Cant believe fold is an viable option here :)


As played the flop is a standard fold?


***** Hand History for Game 17066425762 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $215 USD Buy-in Trny:165414772 Level:1 Blinds-Antes(500/1K -125) - Sunday, March 11, 20:04:43 CET 2018
Table Super Sunday Big Bounty Hunter-H. $1M Gtd [PKO]. (165414772) Table #67 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 8/8
Seat 7: Jaciepa ( 104,200 )
Seat 3: L1qu1dF4rt ( 98,000 )
Seat 5: Sav4ik33 ( 99,500 )
Seat 4: ShAAmp00 ( 122,000 )
Seat 1: cirodimarzo ( 99,500 )
Seat 6: hiena10 ( 99,500 )
Seat 2: joelalorxxl ( 77,000 )
Seat 8: moneyflowowow ( 100,300 )
Trny:165414772 Level:1
Blinds-Antes(500/1.000 -125)
cirodimarzo posts ante [125]
joelalorxxl posts ante [125]
L1qu1dF4rt posts ante [125]
ShAAmp00 posts ante [125]
Sav4ik33 posts ante [125]
hiena10 posts ante [125]
Jaciepa posts ante [125]
moneyflowowow posts ante [125]
ShAAmp00 posts small blind [500].
Sav4ik33 posts big blind [1,000].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to L1qu1dF4rt [ Js Jh ]
hiena10 folds
Jaciepa folds
moneyflowowow folds
cirodimarzo folds
joelalorxxl folds
L1qu1dF4rt raises [3,000]
ShAAmp00 raises [9,500]
Sav4ik33 folds
L1qu1dF4rt calls [7,000]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, 8d, Tc ]
ShAAmp00 bets [7,260]
L1qu1dF4rt will be using their time bank for this hand.
L1qu1dF4rt ?
Flatting vs most opponents here, with proper history we could comfortably 4b/c as this is a ko, but vs nost of field id call vs the 3b.

Folding flop.
 
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Well I am playing only micros, and do not have any idea how it is going on at high stakes, but in my opinion as the opponent is betting 1/3 of the flop - he probably do not have A, but more likely he hit 8 or T, maybe also OESD... So in that case, if I am right - you should 4bet there with the sizing you mentioned :top:
 
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Ahhhh Jacks the mid-pair that looks like a "big" pair. I'd 4 bet min to see if you have the dominate pair pre. Don't want to call on a board where you are over for three streets just to find out what a min 4 bet would have told you.If he 5 bet shoves you at best have coin flip and likely crushed so fold to that at 100BB deep in a MTT.

I'd probably fold flop just unlikely you are best hand since they at best hit ace and at worst have QQ KK and are not letting go unless you do some serious risk.
 
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Well I am playing only micros, and do not have any idea how it is going on at high stakes, but in my opinion as the opponent is betting 1/3 of the flop - he probably do not have A, but more likely he hit 8 or T, maybe also OESD... So in that case, if I am right - you should 4bet there with the sizing you mentioned :top:



this is not right. That is exactly the balanced size a decent player should use on a 3bet pot in a similar situation
 
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Well I am playing only micros, and do not have any idea how it is going on at high stakes, but in my opinion as the opponent is betting 1/3 of the flop - he probably do not have A, but more likely he hit 8 or T, maybe also OESD... So in that case, if I am right - you should 4bet there with the sizing you mentioned :top:

1/3 cbet is pretty standard no matter if you play mid or higher stakes , you can cbet 1/3 with air or with the absolute combination till the flop if you are a well balanced player but my question is the following.How did he know that the opponent doesn't have an A preflop?
You are telling what to do preflop but with the known flop? :confused::confused::confused:
 
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this is not right. That is exactly the balanced size a decent player should use on a 3bet pot in a similar situation

1/3 cbet is pretty standard no matter if you play mid or higher stakes , you can cbet 1/3 with air or with the absolute combination till the flop if you are a well balanced player but my question is the following.How did he know that the opponent doesn't have an A preflop?
You are telling what to do preflop but with the known flop? :confused::confused::confused:
That is why I stated that I am looking from micro stake of view...Hitting A on flop, after such kind of preflop action leads to min 1/2 pot raise and above, and in such early stage between 2/3 and shove. I suppose the style is much more tight at those higher limits, but I thought worth to share my thoughts ...

Edit: If the OP means preflop action possible 4 bet, then OK - I did not get it???
 
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Flatting vs most opponents here, with proper history we could comfortably 4b/c as this is a ko, but vs nost of field id call vs the 3b.

Folding flop.

Glad you posted this as I would of played it wrong.

I was going to call flop and turn and hope the river would be free. Not sure if high stake players are running 3 street bluffs here, so the plan was going to fold river but maybe thats bad
 
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It depends how often you steal the blinds, If it was frequently it may be blef from ShampOO, but if not, the Ace is in range ShampOO and with packet of jacks you should be careful, If I were you I would be check and if he will bet you I will make check-raise, but everything depends on what is the table. I have not enough information.
 
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That is why I stated that I am looking from micro stake of view...Hitting A on flop, after such kind of preflop action leads to min 1/2 pot raise and above, and in such early stage between 2/3 and shove. I suppose the style is much more tight at those higher limits, but I thought worth to share my thoughts ...

Edit: If the OP means preflop action possible 4 bet, then OK - I did not get it???

Oh ok makes more sense now , at first I simply didn't understand what you were trying to tell :)
But I would like to point out that the preflop action and the cbet percentage is pretty irrelevant. You can take down the pot even with 25% cbet. Micro stakes players will never fold in such a small cbet. Most of the times at higher stakes you can't continue with 0% equity on the flop or without a blocker or without a flush / straight draw :)
 
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