$2 NLHE MTT: A good river bluff?

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$2 NLHE MTT: A good river bluff?

Pretty deep into a tournament with about 25 players left and $250 up top.
I think I might have got a bit too out of line on this river (hand?), I figured I'd bet pretty big on flop/turn meaning Villain had a made a hand, so this was a good bluff card as it completed some straights and the flush.

Villain was a bit loose and passive.
My image was aggressive, I was trying to keep on the pressure and stay in the top 3 in chips.

What do you all think?

1.6k/3.2k/400 - 10 Max
Seat 1: UTG ( 28BB )
Seat 2: HJ ( 17BB )
Seat 3: LJ ( 16BB )
Seat 4: CU ( 8BB )
Seat 5: Villain ( 26.5BB )
Seat 6: SB ( 66.5BB )
Seat 7: Hero ( 61BB )

Hero dealt :7c4: :8s4: in the BB
folds, folds, folds, folds, Villain calls 1BB, SB calls 0.5BB, Hero checks

Flop :4s4: :9c4: :2c4: 3.7BB
SB checks
Hero bets 3BB
Villain calls 3BB
SB folds

Turn :Ts4: 9.7BB
Hero bets 7.5BB
Villain calls 7.5BB

River :5c4: 24.7BB
Hero bets All-in (50BB)
Villain calls All-in (15BB)

** Summary **
Villain shows :Ac4: :4c4:
Hero shows :7c4: :8s4:

Villain collected 55BB
 
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What is the bet on the flop all about? You have two opponents and no hand at all. There is an excellent chance someone caught a piece of this flop. Why make the pot bigger?
If you had raised pre-flop a c-bet might be OK here, you could represent an overpair.

Your post says the turn was "Ts4". This was the ten of spades? An overcard. I think the bet here is OK, though marginal.

River: The main problem here is the effective stack size. Villain seems to have something, based on the action on the last two streets. He's going to have trouble folding it for 15BB when there are 50BB in the pot.

The villain's calls on the flop and turn mean that he doesn't see you as aggressive, he sees you as a maniac. Either that or he's the ultimate calling station.
 
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What is the bet on the flop all about? You have two opponents and no hand at all. There is an excellent chance someone caught a piece of this flop. Why make the pot bigger?
If you had raised pre-flop a c-bet might be OK here, you could represent an overpair.

Your post says the turn was "Ts4". This was the ten of spades? An overcard. I think the bet here is OK, though marginal.

River: The main problem here is the effective stack size. Villain seems to have something, based on the action on the last two streets. He's going to have trouble folding it for 15BB when there are 50BB in the pot.

The villain's calls on the flop and turn mean that he doesn't see you as aggressive, he sees you as a maniac. Either that or he's the ultimate calling station.


Thanks Alex.

Haha the flop bet is due to the back door flush draw and straight draws, gives me a lot of turn cards I can double barrel, this also explains the turn bet as we get the oesd. This justify it enough or no?

It is the ten of spades, I posted on my laptop and seems the 4 colour card emoji doesn’t work on mobile.

I get the point about the stack sizes, the turn call does suggest they will struggle to fold on the river which should really stop me bluffing. But then is that not a viable case for putting them on a made hand? Which makes the 5c a scary river card?
 
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Hey man, do you have the VPIP/PFR/Total hands? Then maybe 3-bet% with sample size on villain, and also yourself?
 
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Haha the flop bet is due to the back door flush draw and straight draws, gives me a lot of turn cards I can double barrel, this also explains the turn bet as we get the oesd. This justify it enough or no?

I'd say no, but I can't quantify that, and I'm less aggressive post-flop than some other commenters.

I get the point about the stack sizes, the turn call does suggest they will struggle to fold on the river which should really stop me bluffing. But then is that not a viable case for putting them on a made hand? Which makes the 5c a scary river card?

Pot is effectively about 40BB, since some of your shoved chips will be given back to you no matter what happens. 15BB to call, so 15 / (40+15) = he needs 27% equity to call.
The call is for his tournament life, which works in your favor.
But he is likely to see you as a bully, and may have calling station tendencies.

The club is a scary card if he doesn't have a flush, but if he is a calling station then a substantial portion of his range here is flush draws (though he should have folded them on the turn).

As one of the big stacks at the table, you are right to be looking for good spots to be aggressive. I don't think this was one of them.
 
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Check flop. You have no equity and it is 3ways.

River you have to unload the clip as played and given the runout.
 
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I like the line of action.

But I would have liked it even more, if you had taken an aggressive line right from the beginning (makes more sense in that scenario, for the play).
Raise Pre-flop, 1/3rd Pot flop, 1/2 Pot turn and bombed (all-in) the river.
 
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I like the line of action.

But I would have liked it even more, if you had taken an aggressive line right from the beginning (makes more sense in that scenario, for the play).
Raise Pre-flop, 1/3rd Pot flop, 1/2 Pot turn and bombed (all-in) the river.

I didn't notice that Villain limps from button. I agree that a 3-bet makes sense here.
 
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