$2.20 NLHE MTT: QQ at MP with both EP in pot

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New table, no knowledge about the folks @ the table. We're a healthy stack approx 400 places away from money (4,839 players in total).

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PokerStars - 300/600 Ante 90 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+2: 21.75 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 9)
CO: 37.69 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BTN: 148.76 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
SB: 106.05 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BB: 43.08 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
UTG: 112.99 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
UTG+1: 40.62 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (MP): 38.19 BB
MP+1: 15.51 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)

9 players post ante of 0 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.85 BB) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to 2.29 BB, UTG+1 calls 2.29 BB, Hero calls 2.29 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.29 BB, fold, BB calls 1.29 BB

Flop: (13.31 BB, 5 players) T 9 9
BB checks, UTG bets 5 BB, UTG+1 raises to 16.65 BB, ??
 
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Well first off you should be 3betting QQ.

As played, I'd expect villain to C bet JJ-QQ to protect his hand and get value. Hands that villain is repping are TT, T9 and AA or perhaps KK.

But there are also a number so straight draws that villain could be semi bluffing with, but with no reads I think its a fold.

Not 3 betting has kinda left you in an awkward no man's land with a very under repped hand and an unknown opponent.
 
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Yep, must 3b pf with JJ+.
Regarding flop really awkward but i still shove this since utg1 will not have much 9x in his range.
 
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Sorry for repeating, but yeah.. this hand is a great example how you can ruin your great starting hand by slowplaying it and letting yourself being dragged into a multi-pot. On it's own, a paired flop with undercard Ten looks nice for the queens, but there is a big problem - 3 villains in pot is way too much and considering all that action we can be sure our queens are beat. Most likely one of them have 9 and then we have only 2 outs for full house or runner runner straight with Jack and 8 or Jack and King coming on turn and river for us to come out as winner there. But as you can see your chances are too thin to get into rumble. I would fold and make a note for the future to never slowplaying Queens preflop with many villains in pot and especially on an unknown table. The exception could be if you are against 1 villain, you know that he is pretty loose and aggressive at the same time. Only in this situation i would have give a consideration about slowplaying queens, trying to build a trap. Which i would do carefully of course (especially with QQ, as you have to worry about all aces and kings too), because such strategy can quickly end up, that you have trapped yourself. Never try that with tricky opponents, only with really weak ones.
 
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i guess a 3bet because of raise size which is standard and nobody seems to be on the monster side with his hole cards and because of the fact you went 5 way to the flop which means your equity drops down a lot. When you have monster hands like qq-aa you would definitely like to go heads up to the flop so you keep your preflop equity advantage.
in this case, utg+1 hit the flop and he most likely has trip nines of a set of tens.
of course, you can trap once in a while, but i wouldn't do it with queens.
 
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I definitely made a mistake allowing 5 players to come in without 3 betting. The reason I didn't raise was because I felt I had less fold equity with it being a bounty MTT (which I didn't mention) from the big stacks (EP & seemingly loose BU). Being relatively close to the bubble I figured I'd be able to get better spots later if things didn't work out. Admit, that shouldn't be the thought process if I'm aiming for a win. Pre was definitely a mistake.

Folded and here's how it played out.

Flop: (13.31 BB, 5 players) T 9 9
BB checks, UTG bets 5 BB, UTG+1 raises to 16.65 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG raises to 110.55 BB and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 21.52 BB and is all-in

Turn: (89.66 BB, 2 players) 7

River: (89.66 BB, 2 players) 6

UTG shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
(Pre 79%, Flop 84%, Turn 69%)
UTG+1 shows T J (Two Pair, Tens and Nines)
(Pre 21%, Flop 16%, Turn 31%)
UTG wins 89.66 BB

Silver lining was that I announced what I folded on the chat and was able to exploit it with a key double up much later with the loose big stack in the BB.
 
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Smooth playing Dims,,,nicely done:girl:
 
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I think UTG+1 played bad. I 3 bet pre always witth QQ and 2 in already. Good fold, I am not sure I would let it go even though it sure seems like you are beat. Bet and raise in front of you and others still o act.... ugh. I guess that is time to fold the QQ. It would be tough for me but I would have been in pre and on the rail, lol.
 
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3-bet preflop would be the best, if someone of them will 4-bet you preflop than You can think about fold it, but not often... You need to know what kind of players are they :D
 
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