$2.20 NLHE MTT: A7os in SB facing a button steal

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I'm curious to see how many different responses there might be.

PokerStars - $1+$1+$0.20|20/40 Ante 6 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


BTN: 134.58 BB
Hero (SB): 115.85 BB
BB: 105.3 BB
UTG: 100.4 BB
MP: 128.98 BB
CO: 125 BB


6 players post ante of 0.15 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has 7 A


fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, Hero....
 
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if the blinds are so low pre ante and you prolly also dont have much reads on the table, although you prolly are in front vs openingsrange button, It doesnt play very well OOP and the amount of chips you can win by 3betting and cbetting if he calls your 3bet, is 2 little imo to play this agressively. I would just fold and leave this spot and wait for another. Its seemingly also a KO andthis player you cant bust, so no bounty equity either
 
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There are 4.4 BB's in pot when action is on you with 100+ BB's behind out of position with an unsuited Ace with no kicker.
What was your question again?

Easy fold Brother no reason to get involved the pot means nothing compared to your stack and how much of it you could lose with this hand.
Now if it's later in tourny and you are 15-25 bb's (or less) shove it down his throat!
 
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What was your question again?
Basically, How would you play?

But checking to see how many different ways hands like this are being played.
Poker play style has changed over the past 10 years, it has become a more aggressive game.


I will post more of the hand, by street and then actions as the thread continues.


There are new players out there that think they shouldn't post on how they would play because they think they are playing hands like this the wrong way, those are the answers that are important as those are the players we face most.
 
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depends what mood i'm in if playing tight then fold if playing loose flat and more than likely lose to BB lol never 3 betting this weak this early.
 
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I guess 3bet or fold. That is my answer depending on; A) do I "know" Villain B) How many tables I am playing I think it is too early in tournament for me to really stick to a "rule" . How do I feel about the spot?/ I guess this is not the answer you are looking for I do not want to flat and allow the BB to squeeze
 
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I would fold because I hate playing out of position with marginal holdings.

We also have to think about BB being still to act with our decision.


I would probably only come along with a raise with top half of my range. Suited broadways and pairs.
 
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If the Button is making this play every orbit that it folds to him, 3 bet fold pre flop.


-You have Ace high, good versus Button raising range
-OOP hand plays terrible, hence the preflop 3 bet


3 bet needs to be 4x or more IMO, if he 4 bets, then fold. You need to have a wider 3 bet range, and some 3 bet folds. this is a good candidate
 
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I'm curious to see how many different responses there might be.

PokerStars - $1+$1+$0.20|20/40 Ante 6 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


BTN: 134.58 BB
Hero (SB): 115.85 BB
BB: 105.3 BB
UTG: 100.4 BB
MP: 128.98 BB
CO: 125 BB


6 players post ante of 0.15 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has 7 A


fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, Hero....
I have noticed I had not been 3-betting enough in the blinds, so I had started 3-betting more but felt I was doing something wrong.

Now I know I was making the right move, just too early.


To continue with the hand....


PokerStars - $1+$1+$0.20|20/40 Ante 6 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


BTN: 134.58 BB
Hero (SB): 115.85 BB
BB: 105.3 BB
UTG: 100.4 BB
MP: 128.98 BB
CO: 125 BB


6 players post ante of 0.15 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has 7 A


fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB


Flop: (11.9 BB, 2 players) 8 7 K
Hero.....
 
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Fold preflop. A7o doesn't play well postflop, it would be better to 3bet hands like 98s, 87s, 76s, A5s. Your 3bet sizing is too small, 6.5-7BB would be a better 3bet sizing.
 
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yeah that deep if planning on 3bet must use somehwat bigger sizing with all of your 3bet hands, still I would prefer to just fold at this point at the game pre for things earlier said. And agree with latest poster there are more playable postflop hands to do this with. What you normally would want to achieve if 3betting A7o OOP is basically that the opener will fold to you, thats in general the best result.And with htis tiny pot pre no reason to attack already.

Then with raising so small and being so deep you give the button the option to call you with any2 and you are OOP with a crappy hand that will miss most boards and if you hit, you still often dont know where you are at in the hand. You think you will get 3 streets of value from worse then, this will almost never happen imo


That said as played I would barrel on like slightly over half pot here, cause normally your range contains more good hands, that often must barrel on.
 
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Both stacks are deep enough to do anything. If I 3bet pre, then Im betting that flop. If I flat pf then x/c otf. This early in the game though, and this pot might get one more bet but thats it.
 
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Min raise( 2.2X) semi bluff and try to take it down. If they 3 bet you then you could 4 bet bluff preparing to fold to a 5 bet. Maybe you're too deep and should fold this Ace rag pre. So many options! That's what I love about this game : )
 
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Fold preflop. A7o doesn't play well postflop, it would be better to 3bet hands like 98s, 87s, 76s, A5s. Your 3bet sizing is too small, 6.5-7BB would be a better 3bet sizing.
3-bet sizing noted.

yeah that deep if planning on 3bet must use somehwat bigger sizing with all of your 3bet hands, still I would prefer to just fold at this point at the game pre for things earlier said. And agree with latest poster there are more playable postflop hands to do this with. What you normally would want to achieve if 3betting A7o OOP is basically that the opener will fold to you, thats in general the best result.And with htis tiny pot pre no reason to attack already.

Then with raising so small and being so deep you give the button the option to call you with any2 and you are OOP with a crappy hand that will miss most boards and if you hit, you still often dont know where you are at in the hand. You think you will get 3 streets of value from worse then, this will almost never happen imo


That said as played I would barrel on like slightly over half pot here, cause normally your range contains more good hands, that often must barrel on.
I understand that I made the right move if I had been deeper and know there really isn't much value in playing like this too early.To finish the hand.
I had bet the flop simply because I had hit the flop, which I knew I was going to do if I had hit any part of the flop when I initially 3-bet.


C-bet sizing?

PokerStars - $1+$1+$0.20|20/40 Ante 6 NL - Holdem - 6 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 4


BTN: 134.58 BB
Hero (SB): 115.85 BB
BB: 105.3 BB
UTG: 100.4 BB
MP: 128.98 BB
CO: 125 BB


6 players post ante of 0.15 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has 7 A


fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB


Flop: (11.9 BB, 2 players) 8 7 K
Hero bets 5.95 BB, fold


[spoil]Hero wins 11.9 BB
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3-bet sizing noted.

I understand that I made the right move if I had been deeper and know there really isn't much value in playing like this too early.To finish the hand.
I had bet the flop simply because I had hit the flop, which I knew I was going to do if I had hit any part of the flop when I initially 3-bet.


C-bet sizing?

PokerStars - $1+$1+$0.20|20/40 Ante 6 NL - Holdem - 6 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 4


BTN: 134.58 BB
Hero (SB): 115.85 BB
BB: 105.3 BB
UTG: 100.4 BB
MP: 128.98 BB
CO: 125 BB


6 players post ante of 0.15 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has 7 A


fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB


Flop: (11.9 BB, 2 players) 8 7 K
Hero bets 5.95 BB, fold


[spoil]Hero wins 11.9 BB
[/spoil]
yeah ur flopplay is fine here


lets say the board comes K42r , then you should also bet with A7 here ,cause you will have AK more often in your 3betting range then the button will have so you can perfectly rep this . Also with low flops , you have more pairs in range if you 3bet then the button.

So most often your range is perceived stronger, by the caller , so you must take advantage of this on many boards (not all ofc maybe a board like JT9 with FD etc will likely not make the player fold often if you cbet as a bluff)
 
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I think everything has been said about this particular hand. I believe that your 3-bet sizing is very dangerous, what do you do if BB 4-bets you in this spot??

Thanks again for posting, I really think It is a valuable tool for all of us, to go through these hands, I want to thank everyone who takes part because it often allows me to see a "spot" in a "different' way than if I just review the hand myself.
 
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Agree completely. You don’t want to be in a situation where you hit and ace and the button is holding A8o or better. You basically have to hit the flop super hard to feel confident about playing out of position.
 
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