$1675 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: Suited flop and hero hits middle pair and nut flush draw....

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$1675 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: Suited flop and hero hits middle pair and nut flush draw....

The setting: level 9 of a wsop live ring event $1675 buy in.
I have about 35k and villain has ~28k. Villain is relatively new to table.
Blinds 400/800 with 100 ante

The hand: Folded around to me and I look at :ac4::10d4: in the SB. I raise to 2k. Villain in BB calls. Flop comes :kc4::10c4::5c4: I bet 2k and villain raises to 5k. I thought a minute and re-raised to 13k. Villain fairly quickly goes all in for his last 21k.
I figured at this point my 10 was no good but I was 2:1 against to hit the nut flush getting ~3 to 1 odds for the chips (I needed to call 13k for a pot of ~42k). I called....

Questions:
- Should I just have called his post flop raise?
- Should I have gone all in after his post flop raise?
- Did I make the right call on his all in? Since losing the hand leaves me crippled should I throw that away in a tournament to his all in?

Once he went all in I thought his range included a set, a flopped flush, possibly KXc, or QcJx or QxJc for straight and flush draws, or small chance of a total bluff. Even if I put him on the flopped flush and I know I'm behind with only 7 outs I think I'm still getting pretty good pot odds to make the call.

Would appreciate any advice!! Thnx
 
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Check flop.

Why are you re-raising his flop raise? You aren't neccesarily inducing a jam from anything worse and you hand does not need much protection against worse. Obviously you have to get it in with the NFD and 3betting the flop.
 
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not getting the odds!

Pot odds are only 2.05:1

Your 9 outs give you 4.55:1 odds of hitting.

Hero needs to be getting a minimum of 4.55:1 pot odds to continue here.

As the other player is all in, there are no implied odds, this is a clear fold IMO.

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Pot odds are only 2.05:1

Your 9 outs give you 4.55:1 odds of hitting.

Hero needs to be getting a minimum of 4.55:1 pot odds to continue here.

As the other player is all in, there are no implied odds, this is a clear fold IMO.

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No.

With some quick calculations I am seeing that we are calling 15k into a pot of 57k, meaning we need roughly 26% equity to call. 26% equity is the equivalent of 3.8 to 1 odds.

Our 9 outs give us a lot better than 4.55 to 1 odds of hitting our flush. Our probability of making a flush by the turn is 19.1%, or roughly 1 out of every 4.22 times. Our odds of making a flush by the river are 35%, or roughly 1 out of every 1.86 times. Folding here for 15k more with, at worst case, 7 outs, would be a mistake. Our opponent can turn over his hand, show QJ of clubs, and we would still be making chips over the long run by calling it off here.
 
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No.

With some quick calculations I am seeing that we are calling 15k into a pot of 57k, meaning we need roughly 26% equity to call. 26% equity is the equivalent of 3.8 to 1 odds.

Our 9 outs give us a lot better than 4.55 to 1 odds of hitting our flush. Our probability of making a flush by the turn is 19.1%, or roughly 1 out of every 4.22 times. Our odds of making a flush by the river are 35%, or roughly 1 out of every 1.86 times. Folding here for 15k more with, at worst case, 7 outs, would be a mistake. Our opponent can turn over his hand, show QJ of clubs, and we would still be making chips over the long run by calling it off here.

Actually I think we both goofed up.

original bet was 2k, raise to 5k, re-raise to 13k all in for 21k so the call was 8K because hero already had 13K out there.

so pot pre flop was 4.9k add bets and raises on flop 2 + 5 + 13 + 21 = 45.9K

making the pot odds 5.73:1

I calculated the outs per street and as a player is all in I should have done it for both, thank you for pointing that out as it is a grave error and should not be repeated.

so the 9 outs using the rule of 4 gives us the 35% you mentioned giving Hero 65:35 odds or 1.85:1 and yes a call is in order.

My bad!

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GiGiCat:)
 
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Thanks for the feedback. In retrospect yes I could have check called the flop then maybe I could have gotten away from the hand if I didn't have the correct odds to justify a call on his turn bet with only one card to come.

Anyway he flipped over Q7 clubs and I didn't improve leaving me crippled.

Thanks again!
 
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Pre flop standard, post flop I always check on spots like these, but as played, I would shove the raise, you have the flush plus a overcard, with about, at best, 14 cards that could help you (any A, any T and clubs), IMO you should go all in after his raise
 
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