$140 NLHE MTT: Straight and flush draw on the turn: call or fold?

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59 players in the tournament, 20 left, only last 6 ITM.
Hero (BTN, 28BB) with :qh4: :jh4: Villain (UTG, 19BB) raises 3BB (playing tight aggressive)
Hero calls, SB, BB and all other players fold.


Flop
:kh4: :3c4: :10d4:


Villain bets 3BB, Hero calls.


Turn
:5h4:


Villain goes all-in with 13BB (pot is 13.5BB). What should hero do here with an open ended straight and flush draw? And was it the right play to call preflop and on the flop with QJs ?
 
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I think you played it fine .
but regrettably must fold on the turn, your getting1-1 on your call and have 30% or so equity in the hand . You need 50% to break even .
Plus opponent most probably blocks your straight outs with AA AK
 
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The question is: What was the plan call pf x UTG?
 
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Tricky spot for me. I dont know your calling range there pf, but You have to assume you're way behind his UTG raising range there. If you flat his raise PF you're giving the blinds a good price to come along also. Calling pre-flop is fine there I think, definitely if deeper stacks, but I would have to really connect with the board in order to continue on the flop. Even flopping top pair with your Q or J puts you in a tough spot. My plan going into the flop would likely be shoving on his cbet if I pick up flush draw, but other than that I'm likely folding flop. And someone already mentioned hes probably blocking you're straight outs. On the flop, i think you have at least 50% equity so calling is fine unless you consider he is very likely jamming any turn card. All-in-all, I think I'm folding pf. May be too tight, but I can find much better, more comfortable, spots.
 
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The question is: What was the plan call pf x UTG?
Any Q, J, flush or straight (draw) would give me chances here to beat AK or any set I put Villain on. For 3BB I take that chance, that's the plan.
 
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Any Q, J, flush or straight (draw) would give me chances here to beat AK or any set I put Villain on. For 3BB I take that chance, that's the plan.

Is this your pre-flop plan?
 
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yes good for me until there you did not invest to much in order to taken your chance to hit, Now the risk is a bit to high.


But on the other hand it might become more difficult to handle the end of the tournament a decrease the chance to be ITM

play to win might be a call (all or nothing)

play to ITM Fold
 
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The play was solid enough and, looking at the numbers, probably as good a spot as any to shove...
 
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I think you played it fine .
but regrettably must fold on the turn, your getting1-1 on your call and have 30% or so equity in the hand . You need 50% to break even .
Plus opponent most probably blocks your straight outs with AA AK

You are correct that the equity is probably about 30%, but that includes blockers. I'm using a range of [KK+,TT,55,33,AKs,KQs,QhAh,JhAh,ThAh,9hAh,8hAh,7hAh,6hAh,5hAh,4hAh,3hAh,2hAh,AKo,KQo]. Since the villain is tight and raised from UTG, he may not have some of those weaker suited Aces in his range, but the chance that he is bluffing or playing other suited cards counterbalances this.


You are also correct that the hero is getting about 1:1 on the call, 49% pot odds:
13/(13.5+13) = 49%.


pot odds considerably exceed equity, and I agree that the hero should fold.
 
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I'm calling every time unless I have a lot of knowledge about the villain. I would have might have raised the flop.

For the odds you are not adding his call to the total pot. So the hero is 13 / (13.5 + 13 + 13) = ~33%. If he has any bluffs you are getting better than pot odds. So maybe if he is a very straightforward this is a fold.
 
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I can't see your cards but from the betting pattern it seems like the villain is just feeling trapped and a bit pot committed. I doubt he would shove with nothing but it does smell like he does not want a call. He is correct on doing this so he takes away any pot odds for your draws. Unfortunately you are getting yourself short stacked if you fold or you're crippled if you call and brick. If you do luck out then you are good. I would fold and get ready to shove any decent hand coming up.
 
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Calling preflop with Broadway suited connectors in position is OK. If you get a good flop and UTG has a decent hand and is sticky. Hero can felt her.

The flop is OK for Hero and Villain's C-bet is less than 1/2 pot. With the bet Hero must call 3 to win 10-1/2, but Hero has 8 straight outs and isn't getting the odds to call. Remember, Hero is not guaranteed to see the river if he calls. IMHO, Hero should either fold or push as a bluff. Villain started with 19BB and has 13BB left. If Hero calls the pot will be 13.5BB setting up Villain to push the turn.


I fold, looking for a better place for my remaining 25 BBs.
 
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For the odds you are not adding his call to the total pot. So the hero is 13 / (13.5 + 13 + 13) = ~33%. If he has any bluffs you are getting better than pot odds. So maybe if he is a very straightforward this is a fold.


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Villain does not call at any time during the hand, and is all in on the turn. 13/(13.5+13) is the correct calculation.
 
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