$110 NLHE MTT: How to play a big draw on the flop when you face a big bet OOP?

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We are sitting in an 110$ buy-in 5K GTD tournament at Hollywood casino in Toledo OH. We are in 300/600/50 level and having 15k (25 bb) chips. The action has not been well for us since the beginning of the tournament and players are so active on the table.

We are sitting at UTG+2 with 9♣️10♣️ of clubs and we opened to 1200$ and action folded to the big blind (typical cash player) and he called with chips around 20k.

Flop: J♠️Q♣️2♦️
Big blind bet 2500$ out of the pot around 3200$.
What would you do?
 
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I would either shove or fold on the flop. if you dont have a good read on the player then its probably better to fold on this board because if he calls too much, and bad players probably call too much then the shove option is unprofitable because it relies on fold equity. If you know for a fact that he folds too often, is playing scared money, in the bubble, if he only donkbets with worse than top pair etc, or folds too often then you could profitably shove.

with out a read though I fold here.

honestly with 25bb you want to tighten up your opening range considerably, especially expecially especially UTG. this is way too wide for a UTG open on a table when you're almost guaranteed to get action if you wait for better cards. fold pre.
 
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I would either shove or fold on the flop. if you dont have a good read on the player then its probably better to fold on this board because if he calls too much, and bad players probably call too much then the shove option is unprofitable because it relies on fold equity. If you know for a fact that he folds too often, is playing scared money, in the bubble, if he only donkbets with worse than top pair etc, or folds too often then you could profitably shove.

with out a read though I fold here.

honestly with 25bb you want to tighten up your opening range considerably, especially expecially especially UTG. this is way too wide for a UTG open on a table when you're almost guaranteed to get action if you wait for better cards. fold pre.

Thanks for your input. As I mentioned, the action did not go very well up to that point. That is why I tried to balance my range early position and took advantage of my tight image.
 
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Thanks for your input. As I mentioned, the action did not go very well up to that point. That is why I tried to balance my range early position and took advantage of my tight image.

dont worry about balancing your range against players who are unlikely to even consider your table image.
 
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I would call the flop. see the turn and if V fires again on turn or river. you would have 11K left you can shove on turn and put pressure on him. I mean you can represent a set.
 
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I would call the flop. see the turn and if V fires again on turn or river. you would have 11K left you can shove on turn and put pressure on him. I mean you can represent a set.



It would be an easy call for the V based on the pot odds. Basically, if the V bet on the turn he commits himself to the pot. I think you should have either fold or raise big option, here on the flop.
 
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It would be an easy call for the V based on the pot odds. Basically, if the V bet on the turn he commits himself to the pot. I think you should have either fold or raise big option, here on the flop.

my bad. in case he has 20K you can shove. I think cash players are less tend to call all in.
 
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Call re-evaluate turn you got position and a lot of ways to win the hand. With him first to act on turn you will be able to gauge the strength of his hand and there are some great bluffing cards that can come.
 
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Call re-evaluate turn you got position and a lot of ways to win the hand. With him first to act on turn you will be able to gauge the strength of his hand and there are some great bluffing cards that can come.


Can you explain what do you mean by bluffing cards? I just want to have a clear picture of your thought process on the turn.
 
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The goal of playing suited connectors is to hit a straight or flush. If you don't shove here, how much better of a flop were you hoping for? I think that at 25BB you have to be prepared to be aggressive with drawing hands like this, otherwise fold it pre. As mentioned above, if the table is relatively loose, you're likely to get paid when you get better cards. I'd fold pre, or be prepared to shove any flop when you get 4 to a flush or straight. The tighter the table, the more likely the flop shove will get a fold, so loose tables I'd lean towards folding pre.
 
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fold pre , shove flop , bad strategy to get involved in a hand with 20bb and folding up and down .

On an active table you take down the blinds min raising early very rarelly.
And you dont balance your range by opening early with junk hands with 20 bb , you are playing solid poker and aiming to double up and your never going to do this by folding when you connect with the flop. Your more then likelly bleeding your stack to the point where you get blinded out.
 
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9 10 clubs

Well, seeing as you went in the hand to being with, I say call the flop bet and go from there. not a bad flop for you at all.
 
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Honestly I would have raised because I already see my straight flush lying there.
With a little more time to anylize, it is clear, that it's not ME, who has the chance to the Royal Flush ;)
From the reg point of view you should always fold in this situation that you have brought in. Why not check instead of opening? This hand brings trouble
 
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We are sitting in an 110$ buy-in 5K GTD tournament at Hollywood casino in Toledo OH. We are in 300/600/50 level and having 15k (25 bb) chips. The action has not been well for us since the beginning of the tournament and players are so active on the table.

We are sitting at UTG+2 with 9♣️10♣️ of clubs and we opened to 1200$ and action folded to the big blind (typical cash player) and he called with chips around 20k.

Flop: J♠️Q♣️2♦️
Big blind bet 2500$ out of the pot around 3200$.
What would you do?

What's the structure like? Is it fast/slow?
 
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