11+R 70 Guar.. good chance to dbl up

Villain in seat 3 is tight but very aggressive. I viewed it as a great chance to double up if one of my outs hit but im low on chips. Do you lay down or push based on outs.

pokerstars Game #19768572753: Tournament #102283153, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/08/20 - 17:32:30 (ET)
Table '102283153 92' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: baller425 (22490 in chips)
Seat 2: Bebopchess (11785 in chips)
Seat 3: J.CHABOZY (16935 in chips)
Seat 4: GStreet11 (5750 in chips)
Seat 5: santa48 (10875 in chips)
Seat 6: NL Eagle (6070 in chips)
Seat 7: wattack (8325 in chips)
Seat 8: Pokers2Fun (9475 in chips)
Seat 9: matK (7445 in chips) is sitting out
wattack: posts small blind 100
Pokers2Fun: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pokers2Fun [8c 9c]
matK: folds
baller425: calls 200
Bebopchess: folds
J.CHABOZY: raises 600 to 800
GStreet11: folds
santa48: calls 800
NL Eagle: folds
wattack: folds
Pokers2Fun: calls 600
baller425: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [7c Jc 6d]
Pokers2Fun: checks
baller425: checks
J.CHABOZY: bets 1800
santa48: folds
Pokers2Fun: calls 1800
baller425: folds
*** TURN *** [7c Jc 6d] [Qs]

personally i check shove turn since we are favourite against every hand possible

Now on the turn i check and see what kind of bet villain puts out before deciding on a call, since our implied odds are small since it would be obvious we are drawing and we are oop on the river.

You could also shove this turn and try and push villain off a jack or 8's, 9's or tens. Although since tournys are all about survival, i probably check then call if given odds

If this is in the rebuy period I jammy-whammy the flop all day long.

I wouldn't call the flop, then push the turn but if you do you either have 15 clean outs vs a big pair getting your 2 to 1 pot on a 1/3 draw (but its a tourn. not ring), get some better hands to fold, or you're well behind a villain with AK/AQ of clubs and a little behind sets (compared to pot odds). I guess we have to come up with a range of villain hands and decide how many will be folded to see if its worthwhile...oh yeah 100/200 is that still rebuy period?

as a rule though, we should be check shoving this baby on the flop 100% of the time

Ship it on the flop, you are barely ahead against almost any case scenario.

switch0723 said:

as a rule though, we should be check shoving this baby on the flop 100% of the time

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That's more like it.

switch0723 said:

our implied odds are small since it would be obvious we are drawing and we are oop on the river.

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This is half the reason we're raising the flop, get it in when you have tons of outs and the possibility of taking it down with 9 high. Otherwise you are paying for a draw that is unlikely to get paid off.

Rest of the hand....needless to say i caught and did double up....


Pokers2Fun: checks
J.CHABOZY: bets 4200
Pokers2Fun: calls 4200
*** RIVER *** [7c Jc 6d Qs] [5d]
Pokers2Fun: bets 2675 and is all-in
J.CHABOZY: calls 2675
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pokers2Fun: shows [8c 9c] (a straight, Five to Nine)
J.CHABOZY: shows [Ks Kc] (a pair of Kings)
Pokers2Fun collected 20650 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20650 | Rake 0
Board [7c Jc 6d Qs 5d]
Seat 1: baller425 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Bebopchess folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: J.CHABOZY showed [Ks Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: GStreet11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: santa48 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: NL Eagle (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: wattack (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Pokers2Fun (big blind) showed [8c 9c] and won (20650) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 9: matK folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I would most likely shove the flop. As played, c/shove turn,