$11 NLHE MTT: Good shove?

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Yesterday, I played a 11 KO progressive tournament. Here is a hand which I did not know if I played it correctly.


PokerStars - 600/1200 Ante 150 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 11.37 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 11)
BTN: 7.5 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
SB: 38.04 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
BB: 36.9 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 11)
UTG: 46.25 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
Hero (UTG+1): 20.14 BB
MP: 7.28 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP+1: 33.35 BB (VPIP: 70.00, PFR: 60.00, 3Bet Preflop: 66.67, Hands: 10)
MP+2: 16.37 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.62 BB) Hero has K:heart: A:heart:

UTG raises to 2.3 BB, Hero calls 2.3 BB, fold, fold, MP+2 calls 2.3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.3 BB

Flop: (10.82 BB, 4 players) 7:diamond: 9:heart: T:heart:
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, MP+2 bets 4 BB, fold, UTG raises to 9 BB, Hero raises to 17.71 BB and is all-in, MP+2 calls 9.95 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 8.71 BB

What do you think ?
 
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Raise it up pre!

My main critique of this play is the call pre flop. AK is a hand that plays poorly multi way and therefore you want to isolate the raiser and also look to build a pot. As a result you price in some weaker hands such as 68s J8s 910s that all outflop you. If you raise this to 7-9BB you are only worried about 10's+ and A10 if you get called. Although i think i prefer a shove over a raise with AKs here as you are only worried about KK+ and as we've seen you are probably getting your stack in on a high proportion of flops, the only difference is you have allowed weaker hands to catch up.

On the flop your decision is basically made for you, you never call when you are that short so your decision should be based on whether you think your opponents are ever bluffing here and if you think you have an edge over them. Personally i always get it in on the flop here, you have two overs and a flush draw as well as a backdoor straight, far too many outs to fold, unless you have a very specific read on your opponents hands, which i doubt as you haven't played with them for long.

Basically, just raise AK suited pre flop. Although, I am fairly new to this game and far from an expert, so definitely take some advice from some others.

Out of interest, did you win this hand, by the fact that you posted this here, i'm guessing not?
 
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One other thing to add, as I have just realised you were playing a KO tournament is that your opponents calling range when you shove pre with 20BB over a raise may be slightly wider and include AQ,AJ,A10, as they look to earn by knocking you out.
 
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Hi Matt, i totally understand your point of view. I do not usually just call with AKs but the raiser was impredictable and I just want to see the flop. I did win the hand. They both call. J8 and 88, a heart came in the turn. Thanks for your reply.
 
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What do you mean by unpredictable? If you think he's raising with far too many hands in that position, then you should be 3 betting even more as the last thing you want is the flop to come 358 no hearts and him bet into you. Then you just waste a premium hand or have to risk calling down with A high.

Glad to know it worked out well for you regardless.
 
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Good analysis by Matt.
I think it's best to wait for a few responses before posting the results of the hand. Otherwise some of the analysis can be tainted.
 
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Agree with Matt as well. Small raise and call from first two positions makes a nice juicy pot for people to keep calling around the table, putting your AK at risk. Like Matt said you should be raising to isolate (ESPECIALLY if villain is playing too wide of a range from UTG).
 
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Thanks for your replies guys. I will 3 bet more often in those spots.
 
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Good analysis by Matt.
I think it's best to wait for a few responses before posting the results of the hand. Otherwise some of the analysis can be tainted.

Do not know how to edit the comment. I will take your advice. Thanks
 
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Of course, the perfect flop
 
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Cliffsnotes: I'm never folding and I'm getting it in before river. whether you want to get it in pre, on flop or on turn is fine. jamming pre is my #1 choice.

3bet preflop. whether you want to raise to like 7bb and always get it in on any flop or just jam pre is up to you. I probably just jam pre because I jam this stack size a lot and this gives protection to my ~20bb jamming range (i'll jam a lot of 66+ or KQo KJs type hands here and so having AKs in there makes them think twice about looking me up with AT, KJ etc.)

as played, this is a flop we are happy with (nut flush draw and 2 overs...pretty good for AK). So when the UTG player checks to me I bet for sure with plans of never folding. I'll call any flop raise or get it in on the turn.

As played, I would have bet 4-5bb on flop and if called I'd just jam my stack on the turn...or call a jam.
 
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Cliffsnotes: I'm never folding and I'm getting it in before river. whether you want to get it in pre, on flop or on turn is fine. jamming pre is my #1 choice.

3bet preflop. whether you want to raise to like 7bb and always get it in on any flop or just jam pre is up to you. I probably just jam pre because I jam this stack size a lot and this gives protection to my ~20bb jamming range (i'll jam a lot of 66+ or KQo KJs type hands here and so having AKs in there makes them think twice about looking me up with AT, KJ etc.)

as played, this is a flop we are happy with (nut flush draw and 2 overs...pretty good for AK). So when the UTG player checks to me I bet for sure with plans of never folding. I'll call any flop raise or get it in on the turn.

As played, I would have bet 4-5bb on flop and if called I'd just jam my stack on the turn...or call a jam.

I agree, 3bet pre, maybe jamming pre or on the flop.
 
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Shove preflop, in bounty tournament you are likely to get called by worse hand. As played, shove on the flop.
 
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hi!
the raise preflop is ok
post flop with the stack sizes i dont think it makes big difference how youll play the hand after your checking
all the chips will go in the pot and obv you will call with nut flush draw and 2 overcards...
 
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