$11 NLHE MTT: $2.75r NLHE MTT: FT hand QQ on phone

MasterOfDisaster said:

was in for couple bullets and addon so didnt know how to get right BI

Hello, I haven't got the HH as I logged out PC last game and continued this one on my phone when we were down to 7 players , I try to explain as good as i can, I want to clarify these are games were I have really really good reads on all the players and crushing them last 6 months , this was just a spot I couldn't pull the thrigger river where I think I should have.

So I get dealt QQ approx 25-30 bigs at start hand I am 4th other two players involved have me covered.


So I mr then button is a player who calls a lot fishy kind of guy that also seems to bet for value big post also 3bets like 2% only or so, he makes a 3bet to like 7/8BB's at this point I am planning on folding tbh as over a sample of like 3/4k hands I just know this is likely AA/KK or maybe AKs QQ is ofc only one combo but that he doesnt even 3bet like standard , so this guy has a very narrow range, now one of the better players i face this game coldcalls SB at this point we can exclude AA/KK in this player range as he likely 4bets them, so prolly QQ-TT or AKs cause he also knows button wont go wider, so now I think I might have the odds to setmine (not even sure but we go on from here)
I call we see a flop

A23r SB checks, I check , 3better check, at this point I am sure button doesnt have AA AKs cause he always would gofor value here. so we see a turn 4

SB checks again while I wouldnt have put him on any 5x basiclaly both prolly wont ever show up 5x in this spot and I know he thinks same not many 5x hands in 3better and my range (still the good player must worry I have the Ax here maybe something liek AQs or AKs and opted to still call pre so he cant credibly bluff here as well), also i am sure if SB has AK he leads here, I have still 3 options I bet large try to take it down here, bet small and depending on action decide to bluffshove the river(suppose it would have been one at this point) or not or go cheap SD or check again. I went for the small bet turn slash go to a cheap SD or make bluffshove river they both call, giving us a riverblank.

SB checks I think and also check button checks.

Should I have fired river?

it were the hands I tought they both would show cause of narrow ranges and postflop play

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Mahsa dMo said:

I don't think firing the river does anything.
Do they fold any better hands? No
Do they call with worst hands? JJ 1010 99 maybe
When they both called you on turn it means they kinda like their hands so they will continue.
I you shoved, still not sure what hand you can get to fold. Maybe KK is the only one

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MasterOfDisaster said:

this is a situation where it seems the button as played will most likely show up with KK and yes that is the hand I want to make him fold.

I know my hand seem to be in top of SD range as played , but I really think this is one of these exceptional situations were you prolly must turn a hand with so much SD value into a bluff.

The funny rare thing in this hand is that the button likely would fold the KK winner and SB might even call JJ if button folds, this is something we never can know as I checked also , but it seems a possibility cause SB could put me also on a hand as TT as played and thinks his JJ is good after I would have made the button ofold ofc.

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trent32la said:

Shove pre, check turn, check river.

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MasterOfDisaster said:

2%3b over 4k hands cmon

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trent32la said:

You have 25-30bbs, therefore you cannot "set mine" against a 3bet. There's also dead money in the pot from the player who called the 3B as you assume he never has KK+.

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