$109 NLHE MTT Bounty: 3bet pot TP facing a shove

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V has been shoving on people a lot.
Fold to 3bet is pretty low as well. Can I call here??

partypoker - 1250/2500 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP+1: 69.58 BB (VPIP: 23.61, PFR: 9.72, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, hands: 72)
CO: 34.57 BB (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 12.82, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 39)
Hero (BTN): 67.01 BB
SB: 10.62 BB (VPIP: 14.71, PFR: 7.35, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 69)
BB: 73.24 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
UTG: 153.16 BB (VPIP: 21.13, PFR: 11.27, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 71)
UTG+1: 31.09 BB (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
MP: 114.2 BB (VPIP: 26.47, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 70)

8 players post ante of 0.12 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.49 BB) Hero has Ah 8h
fold, fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 6.5 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 4.5 BB

Flop : (15.49 BB, 2 players) Jh As 9c
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn : (15.49 BB, 2 players) 2h
MP bets 11.62 BB, Hero calls 11.62 BB

River : (38.73 BB, 2 players) 3s
MP bets 95.96 BB and is all-in,
 
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Why check on the flop, I would make a good size bet and see where your opponent stands, especially since you reraised preflop.
 
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Range bet the flop 3rd pot sizing. I guess you can exploitatively fold river vs tight side opponent with heart blocker.
 
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Flop is an easy check in a 3B pot. Range betting this flop is terrible. We need hands like weak Ax in our check back range here so we aren't super capped and we aren't getting more than 1 street of value with A8.

River I'm folding unless V is a very good LAG reg.
 
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Flop is an easy check in a 3B pot. Range betting this flop is terrible. We need hands like weak Ax in our check back range here so we aren't super capped and we aren't getting more than 1 street of value with A8.

River I'm folding unless V is a very good LAG reg.
I would have C-bet flop about half pot (7BB), if villain pushes I fold, If he calls, I check turn and fold to the all-in.

The way the hand was played hero lost 4 more BB on the turn call he didn't have to risk had he made the C-bet on the flop.
 
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Flop is an easy check in a 3B pot. Range betting this flop is terrible. We need hands like weak Ax in our check back range here so we aren't super capped and we aren't getting more than 1 street of value with A8.

River I'm folding unless V is a very good LAG reg.

yup exactly what I thought.
I don't think betting here is a good option. Our 8 kicker doesn't do much vs his 3bet calling range. If he's nutted, we are just paying him off. If he's not, we only take it down there or get one street of value rob.
 
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I would have C-bet flop about half pot (7BB), if villain pushes I fold, If he calls, I check turn and fold to the all-in.

The way the hand was played hero lost 4 more BB on the turn call he didn't have to risk had he made the C-bet on the flop.

What would you do if the V raises flop/ lead turn or thin value bet river?
 
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Flop is an easy check in a 3B pot. Range betting this flop is terrible. We need hands like weak Ax in our check back range here so we aren't super capped and we aren't getting more than 1 street of value with A8.

River I'm folding unless V is a very good LAG reg.

It's not terrible actually, its the correct strategy. IP player has much more ev in the pot and should win it most of the time. His betting frequency should be very high on this flop.
Yeah we should check back weak Ax on a LOW frequency but not 100% as you suggested, this is in gto strategy, in real life we can probaly get away with betting close to 100%.


I can add piosolver sim if you'd like to see for yourself.


Also saying we can get only 1street of value is incorrect when villan supose to continue with backdoors.
 
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What would you do if the V raises flop/ lead turn or thin value bet river?

Call flop 100% vs normal sizing, turn and river depending which cards and sizing.
 
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What would you do if the V raises flop/ lead turn or thin value bet river?
Really depends on size of bets, but I am usually folding to bets I consider to be suspicious.

Did MP have 2 pair or a set?
 
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Please do cause I know nothing of this

Ran 2 sims, one is gto the other one with node locking (how i think opponents really play and not gto).

Funny enough the only combos of Ax pio is checking are the A8s one. that comes from the reason of us blocking a lot of opponents bluffs and c/calls. Exept those comobos he is betting very hard entire range (88%) due to our range advantage + nuttiness advantage. Again, this is vs someone who plays perfect gto which ofc never is the case.

https://gyazo.com/836d9ce6c1956c9219bc91c3c3dd6641

Now this is versus opponent who plays gto and c/raising 21%. This of course never happens in real life. Link below:

https://gyazo.com/5689db4b9fc248f8cbc89056bb981772

Against a non gto player which is c/raising 5.5% only gave him few bluffs (KTs/KQs/T8s) on some frequency and mostly better than 1pair holdings we get to bet 100% of our 3betting range extremely profitably as you can see here.

https://gyazo.com/ca741a1e0788e8d8430fef52644000b9

* Even if we up his c/r to like 10% pio will still bet around 100%.
 
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