¥10000 NLHE STT Turbo: ¥10,000 NLHE STT Turbo: $P10k NLHE STT Turbo: Two-hands and third place... Thoughts?

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¥10000 NLHE STT Turbo: ¥10,000 NLHE STT Turbo: $P10k NLHE STT Turbo: Two-hands and third place... Thoughts?

Was play money 10k in PS, I am training my tournament strategy as I am currently poor at them.

Curious were both played optimally:

Came 3rd to these 2 hands causing my knockout. Problem is this other player was becoming LAG but ALSO was being LP so I couldn't blocker bet him efficiently and thus he outdrew me twice but I definitely played both hands very well.

Well, anyway tell your thoughts :)

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On the JQs hand the 3bet size is too little, you're giving price to any 2 cards and any amount of players to come in regardless of your hand. A 3bet has basically 3 accomplishments:

1. you're bluffing, you think you can take the money on the pot making your opponents fold with a sour price and you don't exactly want to see a flop;

2. you want to put more money in the pot because you're convinced your hand has more value than the other(s) and it is preferable to narrow the ranges;

3. you want to isolate and get to the flop with less players, ideally heads-up.

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On the JQs hand the 3bet size is too little, you're giving price to any 2 cards and any amount of players to come in regardless of your hand. A 3bet has basically 3 accomplishments:

1. you're bluffing, you think you can take the money on the pot making your opponents fold with a sour price and you don't exactly want to see a flop;

2. you want to put more money in the pot because you're convinced your hand has more value than the other(s) and it is preferable to narrow the ranges;

3. you want to isolate and get to the flop with less players, ideally heads-up.

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I should just have shoved there? The pot was so small though... If he just folds...
 
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You said you're trying to improve your strategy. I bet freerolls are better for that than the play money games... on a freeroll you have nothing to lose and in the play money games also but here you have nothing to win as well, so, if the quality of the players sometimes is questionable in a freeroll, in the play money they tend to be even worse: guy is calling 3.5x out of position with T5.... like ummm mehhh.

My opinion is that you cannot prepare yourself for a real tourney when you have this ridiculous range of T5 to a SB call of 3.5x bigs, this is not real life, you gonna confuse yourself thinking about those.

But just for the fun:

Why the 3bet preflop instead of a call since you have a really pretty but marginal hand out of position facing a 3,5x open ?

If you suspect original raiser is getting out of the line and the SB guy is quite a passive flatting whatever two cards then here my thoughts:

A decent 3bet size for this situation would commit a big part of your stack if you add the cbet on the flop on the top of it. I think every time this kind of math happens, you have to think in terms of flat, shove or fold.

If you shove and both fold you take 800 chips for yourself, you increase your stack 30% with Q high... this is pretty sweet, I would say thank you very much let's play another hand.
 
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