$1 PLO MTT: Final Table PLO Tourney: Interesting ICM Spot

ITM but pay jumps start at 1, 2, 3 place on ACR. I'm third in chips w two short stacks (one ultra short w < 2BB).

First raiser has a 9 PFR and 25 VPIP. 3 Bettor has PFR 17, VPIP 41, 3B 7.

Is JJ109 one suit a fold in this ICM spot pre?
Do I flat call the flop bet and fold to aggression on turn given ICM?

My guess is that it is a preflop fold. As played, jam flop is fine even with ICM implications.

Are there any ICM calculators for PLO?

Thanks in advance for advice.


Game started at: 2016/5/24 19:1:15
Game ID: 646531094 800/1600 $150 GTD PLO, Table 4 (Omaha)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: Gustavo Lyle Garcia (12351).
Seat 3: Irishyouwould (84287).
Seat 6: jgjtg (1916).
Seat 8: Jimbon3 (124558).
Seat 9: HERO (70888).
Player HERO has small blind (800)
Player Gustavo Lyle Garcia has big blind (1600)
Player HERO received card: [9h]
Player HERO received card: [Js]
Player HERO received card: [Jd]
Player HERO received card: [10h]
Player Irishyouwould raises (3200)
Player jgjtg folds
Player Jimbon3 raises (12000)
Player HERO calls (11200)
Player Gustavo Lyle Garcia folds
Player Irishyouwould calls (8800)
*** FLOP ***: [Jc 5s Qd]
Player HERO checks
Player Irishyouwould checks
Player Jimbon3 bets (18800)
Player HERO allin (58888)
Player Irishyouwould folds
Player Jimbon3 calls (40088)
*** TURN ***: [Jc 5s Qd] [As]
*** RIVER ***: [Jc 5s Qd As] [6h]

you cant really just call of 12k and hope to hit flops, even though your hand is certainly playable, it's not really playable in a 3bet pot when your stack is small. so ya fold preflop or just re-raise and let it runout headsup. the problem is your not even closing the action, so it's pretty horrible idea in general.

in terms of the ICM, it doesnt change from PLO to NLHE, the equities are still the same, however in PLO you will have a lot more split pots and what not to worry about and the equities run far closer to 50/50 alot of the time.

as played once you call and hit second trips with a q blocker, you are certainly ahead of his range here and you only have 60 left in a pot of like 10 in the middle.

having said all that, there are two extreme shortstacks in play, so we should be basically folding everything here to creep up in the money, so yes, folding preflop is absolutely the best play here.

Folding pre is not too bad either as there where others stack so short.Icm should be put into consideration during final table.

Thanks. Just total ICM suicide as I figured. Let V's 3bets on the button get to me. Also JJ109 is one of my fav plo hands.

Villain called my jam as a 4:1 dog and turned the set of AAA.

Busto.

Pot: 155376
Board: [Jc 5s Qd As 6h]
Player Gustavo Lyle Garcia does not show cards.Bets: 1600. Collects: 0. Loses: 1600.
Player Irishyouwould does not show cards.Bets: 12000. Collects: 0. Loses: 12000.
Player jgjtg does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
*Player Jimbon3 shows: Three Of Kind of As [Ks Ac 9s Ah]. Bets: 70888. Collects: 155376. Wins: 84488.
Player HERO shows: Three Of Kind of Js [9h Js Jd 10h]. Bets: 70888. Collects: 0. Loses: 70888.

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