$1 NLHE STT Turbo: SpinGo

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Well i think you played that hand way toooo tight man.
I mean, let's see what reasonable hands he could have, that will beat your Aces? He called a raise without position, so probably we can exclude TT,99. If he isn't a totally rock or call station, he would re-raise you with such hands. Probably 33 could get lucky, then we are likely beat, but we have still outs for nut-flush, to not forget! Also it's less likely that he flopped flush, because we have a diamond on a hand. And it just happens too rarely to flop a flush at all. So which hands could it be? I would say it could be some high cards hand like JT+ with one diamond card, although JT would likely play that way also without diamond, because of straight outs. Also it could be a lot of hands that hit top pair with Ten and try to defend their hand. It could be 9T or JQ too, but along with 33 thats the only hands i can imagine he could have and we are standing sucks against. But then again, nut-flush outs are still there, you know.
Considering all that, AA in a huge part of possible situations is an absolute favorite and in just a few underdog. So it's a must call on turn to me.
 
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Really interesting spot. Having the Ad helps and hurts us, as it reduces the number of bluffs/semibluffs villain has, however give us more outs when we are beat.

The fact that villain pot bet the flop and then fired the turn makes me inclined to fold here. At best we're up against something like KT. Villain has all straights, flushes, and sets and T9.
 
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Need to raise preflop more with premiums I go for 3.5x. This is a slam dunk shove on the flop with the nut flush draw if you are calling you should be calling to trap. I am mostly like shoving flop you don't want a 10 to get away if the four flush comes.

I play a lot of these the villain can have anything as this is the first hand as played this is a must call on the turn cannot get away from this. If you are folding in those spots consistently you will struggle to be profitable at spin n gos.
 
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I am playing a lot of those tournaments and I could tell you that the level isn't so high. I would put the guy on T and maybe the second card is d. He's got the perfect turn card to go with such a bad. I think that the fold is wrong here. Even if he's got the straight, you are still 25% to get the d on the river.
 
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I would shove in this spot. Opponent could likely have a hand like a pair and a flush draw, I think you have right pot odds if opponent has 10 9 and even if he has king high flush you still have outs.
 
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joeisi said:
Need to raise preflop more with premiums I go for 3.5x. This is a slam dunk shove on the flop with the nut flush draw if you are calling you should be calling to trap. I am mostly like shoving flop you don't want a 10 to get away if the four flush comes.

I play a lot of these the villain can have anything as this is the first hand as played this is a must call on the turn cannot get away from this. If you are folding in those spots consistently you will struggle to be profitable at spin n gos.
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Disagree with raising more preflop with premiums. Our hand should not dictate our preflop opening size, and off 25bb opening 3.5x is way too large unless the table is playing an insanely high VPIP. Going to 2-2.5x with our entire range is best as it will allow us to play postflop at higher SPR's and not exploit ourselves since we aren't opening 3.5x light here.

I did not consider shoving the flop, however I certainly agree we should. At absolute worst we have 27% equity if our opponent has a flopped flush and we are well ahead of 1pr and 1pr + draw hands.
 
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Many outs ... I would not be able to reset the flush draw and top pair ...
 
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alienat3d said:
Well i think you played that hand way toooo tight man.
I mean, let's see what reasonable hands he could have, that will beat your Aces? He called a raise without position, so probably we can exclude TT,99. If he isn't a totally rock or call station, he would re-raise you with such hands. Probably 33 could get lucky, then we are likely beat, but we have still outs for nut-flush, to not forget! Also it's less likely that he flopped flush, because we have a diamond on a hand. And it just happens too rarely to flop a flush at all. So which hands could it be? I would say it could be some high cards hand like JT+ with one diamond card, although JT would likely play that way also without diamond, because of straight outs. Also it could be a lot of hands that hit top pair with Ten and try to defend their hand. It could be 9T or JQ too, but along with 33 thats the only hands i can imagine he could have and we are standing sucks against. But then again, nut-flush outs are still there, you know.
Considering all that, AA in a huge part of possible situations is an absolute favorite and in just a few underdog. So it's a must call on turn to me.
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Couldn't agree more. AA is still so strong here, especially in a three handed game.

joeisi said:
Need to raise preflop more with premiums I go for 3.5x. This is a slam dunk shove on the flop with the nut flush draw if you are calling you should be calling to trap. I am mostly like shoving flop you don't want a 10 to get away if the four flush comes.

I play a lot of these the villain can have anything as this is the first hand as played this is a must call on the turn cannot get away from this. If you are folding in those spots consistently you will struggle to be profitable at spin n gos.
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I think 3.5BB is too much considering the stack size. 2BB raise will have a similar effect on these players, so no need to bet bigger. Also, if you're going to bet only your premiums like this, it will get transparent fast (even in these games that don't have a lot of hands per game).

Gabinho12345 said:
I would shove in this spot. Opponent could likely have a hand like a pair and a flush draw, I think you have right pot odds if opponent has 10 9 and even if he has king high flush you still have outs.
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I would like to just keep calling, although I don't think shoving is wrong.
The only thing is that with shoving you might chase away bluffers (and there are a lot of them at the 1$ spins), while he might bluff the river as well if you don't shove. There are not so much scare-cards on the river and even if it is one, we will have to call too.
If he is not bluffing and he is having a nice draw and/or some sort of made hand, he will not fold to a shove, so either way there will be a showdown.

Edit: OK I didn't look good, didn't see that it was only 50 chips more to shove, thought he had bet 200 instead of 300. In this case, even more reasons to get it in!
 
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