$1 NLHE MTT: Flopped Combo draw in limped pot in BB

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Villain had been limping a ton of hands.

This is a limped pot and I'm in the SB.

I assume seeing a flop multiway with 35s (diamonds) is pretty standard. I guess I could get out of line and raise pre but would rather see a flop with this hand at these stack levels (20bb effective with main villain) and no high card value.

Here's the preflop action and flop:

Game started at: 2017/6/1 9:5:17
Game ID: 926395353 300/600 $400 GTD R/A, Table 2 (Hold'em)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: HERO (17939).
Seat 2: lking (22903).
Seat 3: GentelManDan (13808).
Seat 4: VILLAIN (11505).
Seat 5: pokermaster53 (8080).
Seat 6: kulinar36 (9992).
Seat 7: BobbyVee (7200).
Seat 8: darkman_99 (31890).
Seat 9: TheBeatGod (18236).
Player TheBeatGod has small blind (300)
Player HERO has big blind (600)
Player HERO received card: [3d]
Player HERO received card: [5d]
Player lking folds
Player GentelManDan folds
Player VILLAIN calls (600)
Player pokermaster53 calls (600)
Player kulinar36 folds
Player BobbyVee folds
Player darkman_99 folds
Player TheBeatGod folds
Player HERO checks
*** FLOP ***: [2d 2c 4d]

Do you donk lead here?

I think you need to with the combo draw and obviously the blinds are the most likely to have 2's in their range.
 
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I donk led 3/4 pot and get called by the serial limper

Here's the action and turn

*** FLOP ***: [2d 2c 4d]
Player HERO bets (1980)
Player VILLAIN calls (1980)
Player pokermaster53 folds
*** TURN ***: [2d 2c 4d] [7s]

Once we're here do you continue with a turn barrel?
 
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check calling reasonable bet on flop & turn b/c we have weak flush draw
 
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Check is good pre, you have a pure drawing hand. I don't mind a flop bet, I think you'd take it down pretty often against a villain who sounds somewhat passive, from your description. A standard limping range would likely be low pocket pairs, suited Ax, and smaller suited connectors, +/- monsters if he's balancing his range (less likely at low stakes), but if you say he limps a lot, then maybe he had unsuited broadway cards or unsuited Ax in his range too. With a wider range like he sounds likely to have, I think the flop bet is more likely to work, but with a tighter limping range then he has an over pair sometimes which he'd likely call with, and Ax may have hit him too.

I'm check/calling turn if it's a reasonable size bet, but that's just me. A second barrel might work, but it all depends on your table image and your style. I don't think there is one right way to play a big draw like that, especially in a limped pot.
 
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Depends on the opponent, if he's sticky (Passive/doesn't give up that easily) Check/Call. If he's reasonable (Tight/Weak); Bet, bet, bet. Bet the flop (3/4th in this case), bet 1/2 pot on the turn and shove the river (As a value/as a bluff). You're only scared of a very few combos.
 
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In a multiway pot with the limpers' pre! you would definitely want to get maximum value out of your hand with a combo draw! I would rather check/calling or check raising (depending on the pot size) on the flop and turn. Your main goal is to build the pot gradually by encouraging other opponents to put their chips in the pot as well as not pushing them away.

Of course by checking, you keep your options open and decide how you want to proceed this pot cuz the action backs to you at the end and you are the last one to take control of the pot ;)
 
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This is a great hand to look at. I find these situations really test me. Here are my observations and what I would do.

1. I don't think a raise pre-flop is entirely out of line though I don't know if I'd have the guts to do it. Hero is OOP, right? If Villian is limping a lot he probably prepared to let a lot of hands go to a three bet, no? The one limping behind even more so. Fold to a four bet. C-bet if called and then let it go.

2.Post flop Villan could easily put you on bluff and think his Ax is good especially with the bet size of 3/4. Why not min bet? I think Villan has about the same chance of folding and you control the pot.

3. Turn I think he's ahead of you here and I think he knows it. It's a very tough spot. You've each got about a third of your stackin the pot. You cant really bet the turn unless your willing to put your whole stack in by the end. Tough spot.
 
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*** TURN ***: [2d 2c 4d] [7s]
Player HERO bets (4950)
Player VILLAIN calls (4950)
*** RIVER ***: [2d 2c 4d 7s] [8s]

I bet 3/4 pot on the turn and got called.

I don't like my turn bet sizing since it gives me less leverage on the river.

I can obviously give up here since Villain only has 3915 behind but I decided to continue the story that I have 2x and bet.

Imagine my surprise when he showed up with K high on the river.

God bless the micros. I think my line works better at higher stakes but clearly not at the donk micros......or maybe I'm the donk.

Player HERO allin (10349)
Player VILLAIN allin (3915)
Uncalled bet (6434) returned to HERO
------ Summary ------
Pot: 24330
Board: [2d 2c 4d 7s 8s]
Player HERO shows: One pair of 2s [3d 5d]. Bets: 11505. Collects: 0. Loses: 11505.
Player lking does not show cards.Bets: 60. Collects: 0. Loses: 60.
Player GentelManDan does not show cards.Bets: 60. Collects: 0. Loses: 60.
*Player VILLAIN shows: One pair of 2s (kicker K) [Kd Qd]. Bets: 11505. Collects: 24330. Wins: 12825.
Player pokermaster53 does not show cards.Bets: 660. Collects: 0. Loses: 660.
Player kulinar36 does not show cards.Bets: 60. Collects: 0. Loses: 60.
Player BobbyVee does not show cards.Bets: 60. Collects: 0. Loses: 60.
Player darkman_99 does not show cards.Bets: 60. Collects: 0. Loses: 60.
Player TheBeatGod does not show cards.Bets: 360. Collects: 0. Loses: 360.
Game ended at: 2017/6/1 9:6:7

Triple Barrel Gone Wrong.

My bluffing freq is pretty low, so I'm OK with having this hand in my triple barrelling range to balance my value hands but do we need to bluff at the micros? not really.
 
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Triple Barrel Gone Wrong.

My bluffing freq is pretty low, so I'm OK with having this hand in my triple barrelling range to balance my value hands but do we need to bluff at the micros? not really.

Pretty good triple barrel IMO. Seems like this villain deserves a note: Gets pot committed easy.
 
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