$1 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: KK 5 way facing pot sized donk bet

Daily dollar on tilt. 3rd hand at a new table. Shove over the donk bet with 2 left to act?

Full Tilt - |120/240 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 32.63 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 10)
Hero (UTG+1): 37.35 BB
MP: 56.48 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP+1: 101.36 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP+2: 29.73 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 12)
CO: 20.79 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
BTN: 137.54 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: 53.88 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 44.53 BB (VPIP: 38.33, PFR: 10.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 60)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.44 BB) Hero has K:club: K:diamond:

fold, Hero raises to 2.08 BB, MP calls 2.08 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.08 BB, SB calls 1.58 BB, BB calls 1.08 BB

Flop: (11.35 BB, 5 players) Q:club: 7:diamond: 9:club:
SB bets 11.35 BB, fold, Hero???

Fwiw I shoved because lol it's a $1 donkament, but it felt pretty thin even as I did it

I think shove is good game here. You have overpair and runner runner flush draw.

Tough spot, I'd say your ahead of the donk bettor but it's the 2 left to act after you that would concern me, quite likely you could have been re shoving into a flopped set.

I'd be more inclined to flat flop to see what the 2 after you do, if they raise it up + get called I'd probably let it go, if they fold I'd probably get it all in on most turns vs the donk bettor. Their pot bet just seems like a Qx hand scared of all the draws

Considering this is $1 tournament. I think shoving is fine on here.

It sucked because of the awkward stack sizes, I didn't like folding or flatting and didn't like a raise size less than AI at this stack depth. Shoving felt like making the best of it given that I'm still ahead here a fair % of the time

Raise more PF to get them to fold! You dont want 5 players with you when you have KK!

Seriously, though, I think the jam is fine. SB is easily donk betting with a lot of QX, maybe AQ hands as well as a lot of flush and straight draw hands including AxXc, 10J/810. It's possible even hands like A9. I don't see them making pot sized donk bets with 77/99 and QQ is almost never here. Not saying 77/99 isn't possible, but you're more likely to see trap plays with sets in the micros. At least from my experience. At worst, you're behind a hand like Q9 or Q7.

As for the 2 behind, 99 and 77 are in their range, as are a lot of other mid pairs suited connectors, and broadway hands. Again, I doubt you'll see QQ. So, if you get coolered by either of them holding 77/99, so be it, but most of the time, they've completely missed and are likely folding or calling light with a QX hand or some type of draw.

So, I think it's very likely you're ahead at this point, even if just slightly and hopefully one of them call with TP or some type of draw.

philthy said:

Raise more PF to get them to fold! You dont want 5 players with you when you have KK!

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blinds 240, I raised to 500 and it felt light as soon as I did it, my std raise there is about 530 and admittedly I wasn't concentrating too much when I raised pre, several tables open plus I was probably on reddit too (bad habit I know)

philthy said:

...but you're more likely to see trap plays with sets in the micros.

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Yep. Not sure if I've ever seen someone donk for pot with a set tbh

Lucothefish said:

blinds 240, I raised to 500 and it felt light as soon as I did it, my std raise there is about 530 and admittedly I wasn't concentrating too much when I raised pre, several tables open plus I was probably on reddit too (bad habit I know)

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...lol. I wasn't serious about the raise more to make others. I think raising to 500 UTG is fine, though since it was a new table, you may have gotten away with raising more. Getting 5 callers isn't that bad, just unlucky no one had anything PF worth 3betting.

Also, reddit is nothing. I play MTTs and COD at the same time. Or I'll watch movies while playing. Yesterday, I made dinner for my GF, herself, and I [fried catfish and baked potato wedges] and still managed to bubble the FT/600 players. So, these small "distractions" are nothing.

Lucothefish said:

Yep. Not sure if I've ever seen someone donk for pot with a set tbh

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It's funny, because I often donk bet/donk bet shove with sets on semi-wet/wet boards a lot because I know I'm get called a lot of weaker TP hands or draw hands and I get paid off a lot when I do.

However, I don't see others do the same. Then again, I don't see a lot of players opening with a 25BBs overbet jam with AKs or 1010+ in the micros either...

Lucothefish said:

blinds 240, I raised to 500 and it felt light as soon as I did it, my std raise there is about 530 and admittedly I wasn't concentrating too much when I raised pre, several tables open plus I was probably on reddit too (bad habit I know)

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Forgive my ignorance, but isn't a standard raise more in the 640-720 area?


Also, donks don't tend to have the nuts when they donk on the turn. More often it's just a decent hand that wants to know where it's at, so they're often even bet/folding.

I tend to raise to about triple of what they bet with, so a shove is fine. If someone behind you has 77/99, then that's unfortunate. That's also why you want to raise a little bigger preflop, though. Less people in the pot.

I could see the SB do this with the nut flush draw AXc. Possibly with backdoor straight draws as well (A8c, ATc), or bottom pair (A7c).

if player is solid icmizer gives 33% against his bet range