$1 NLHE MTT: AKs in BB facing a 3b from the SB of an EP raise.

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 18/15/7

Here's the preflop action:

Game started at: 2017/6/10 9:15:38
Game ID: 933099609 350/700 $400 GTD R/A, Table 2 (Hold'em)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: HERO (32898).
Seat 2: ClickItBack (32731).
Seat 3: VILLAIN1 (38312).
Seat 4: FlushmanAK (16325).
Seat 6: fish1231 (11705).
Seat 7: BananaBrain (32568).
Seat 8: whatdaheck18 (45610).
Seat 9: VILLAIN2 (21690).
Player VILLAIN2 ante (75)
Player HERO ante (75)
Player ClickItBack ante (75)
Player VILLAIN1 ante (75)
Player FlushmanAK ante (75)
Player fish1231 ante (75)
Player BananaBrain ante (75)
Player whatdaheck18 ante (75)
Player VILLAIN2 has small blind (350)
Player HERO has big blind (700)
Player HERO received card: [As]
Player HERO received card: [Ks]
Player ClickItBack folds
Player VILLAIN1 raises (1400)
Player FlushmanAK folds
Player fish1231 folds
Player BananaBrain folds
Player whatdaheck18 folds
Player VILLAIN2 raises (4125)

Villain2's stats are above but it's only over 49 hands. Villain 1 had been active at 34 VPI / 21 PFR and a 100% Fold to 3b (over 30 hands).

This is a tough spot. With AKo, I default to 4b but bc AKs plays better post I prefer flatting.

Typically a 3b of an EP raise should be respected but the problem is that the EP raiser has been active so a light 3b is not out of the question. V2 has a 7% 3b freq.

I flatted and V1 folded as the stats predicted.

Player HERO calls (3775)
Player VILLAIN1 folds

Any views to this point?

Here's the flop and V2 is cbetting 50% pot.

In position should I call with my back door flush and two overcards?
 
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I wanted to add that V2's 3b was 4% before this hand. With the small sample it jumped to 7% after the hand.

Apologies, here's the flop and action:

*** FLOP ***: [4s 7c 5h]
Player VILLAIN2 bets (5475)
 
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Preflop: I'm likely to have 4bet in that spot.
Postflop: I think we're calling the c-bet here, we have a backdoor flush draw and we have the best ace high, this flop didn't hit his range very well, the only potential spots in his range that it hit are if he hit a set. Probably not calling on the turn unless we hit a spade or an ace or king.
 
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4-bet to 12K and call the 5-bet jam preflop. AK is a hand which would not play very well post flop and I would like to charge my opponent preflop. Considering 10 bbs already in the pot, you should attack them and take the pot down pre. By flatting your AK preflop in position, the V's range is still disguised and you will be in a tough spot post flop.

As I mentioned the problem comes up when the V is now leading on the flop and put almost 50% of his entire stack already in the pot. By calling the flop you are lowering the SPR and he would probably jam on the turn, which would be a very exploitable play. As played, I would fold on the flop!

Sometimes in poker, you should aware of the consequence of your action and plan ahead for the hand before streets not simply play based on your holdings.
 
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I called with my two overcards and back door flush. Still could have the best hand and/or improve.

Player HERO calls (5475)

Here's the turn and action:

*** TURN ***: [4s 7c 5h] [Ah]
Player VILLAIN2 allin (11665)

We hit TPTK in a 3b pot on the turn. We have to be good here more than 35% (11,665/33,565) of the time, right? especially in a 3b bet pot?
 
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Did you call on the turn? I would call.
 
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4B to 9999 pre, fold vs opener call it off vs SB.

As played fold flop. V has a huge range advantage here as you never have any equity on this flop and are pretty capped to TT-JJ (maybe QQ), and AQ-AK. Villain can shove any non-A turn regardless of his hand and you can't really do anything about it. Not to mention V has plenty of 3B bluffs that also flopped equity while you never do....

Easy call off on the turn, I'd expect V to show up with AK or some 76s type hand here pretty much every time.
 
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I would 4bet preflop as well, IMO the call gives too much odds to V1, besides the stats, and AK is the top of your non-pairs range, you are blocking AA and KK and V2 just put 1/5 of his hole stack with this 3bet pre flop, you dont want to see a flop like this and have a tough decision just like this one.

As played, on the flop, lets say he has a pair (overpair QQ- and and pair on the flop on a possible light 3b), you have the bdfd and 6 outs that could improve your hand right away, so lets say you have about 25% chance of winning if the A or K comes, you are about 2.8/3-1 underdog. The pot has already 11k and his bet makes it 16825, with the implied pot of about 28k (considering his remaining stack), you are about 5.5-1, so IMO, its an easy call.

On the turn, as played, theres no much you can do, just call and hope for the best
 
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I called.

I was surprised to see what V showed up with.

Player HERO calls (11665)
*** RIVER ***: [4s 7c 5h Ah] [9d]
------ Summary ------
Pot: 45230
Board: [4s 7c 5h Ah 9d]
Player HERO shows: One pair of As [As Ks]. Bets: 21690. Collects: 0. Loses: 21690.
Player ClickItBack does not show cards.Bets: 75. Collects: 0. Loses: 75.
Player VILLAIN1 does not show cards.Bets: 1475. Collects: 0. Loses: 1475.
Player FlushmanAK does not show cards.Bets: 75. Collects: 0. Loses: 75.
Player fish1231 does not show cards.Bets: 75. Collects: 0. Loses: 75.
Player BananaBrain does not show cards.Bets: 75. Collects: 0. Loses: 75.
Player whatdaheck18 does not show cards.Bets: 75. Collects: 0. Loses: 75.
*Player VILLAIN2 shows: Two pairs. As and 7s [7d Ac]. Bets: 21690. Collects: 45230. Wins: 23540.
Game ended at: 2017/6/10 9:16:58

I didn't have A7o in V's 3b range from the SB.

I guess a 4b would have been better but I am surprised that there was a rec to 4b fold to a 5b from EP. That would be a disaster in my view with this hand unless you can narrow V's range to AA ONLY.
 
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