$1.50 NLHE STT: Hero AA, board pairs (QQ) on river

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 24/12/4

Could I have avoided this river spot? How should I have played the river?
Hero and villain each doubled-up in the first and second hands respectively. Villain has been tight and moderately aggressive since then.


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Emmaresser22 (UTG): 2,945 (59 bb)
moi58 (MP): 1,785 (36 bb)
luisboac (CO): 2,672 (53 bb)
xXHitmanXx47 (BU): 2,831 (57 bb)
Chubab2 (SB): 1,960 (39 bb)
Pejep (BB): 1,307 (26 bb)

Pre-Flop: (111) Hero (luisboac) is CO with A A
2 players fold, luisboac (CO) raises to 150, xXHitmanXx47 (BU) calls 150, 2 players fold

Flop: (411) 6 Q 3 (2 players)
luisboac (CO) bets 275, xXHitmanXx47 (BU) calls 275

Turn: (961) 9 (2 players)
luisboac (CO) bets 950, xXHitmanXx47 (BU) calls 950

River: (2,861) Q (2 players)
luisboac (CO) bets 1,291 (all-in), xXHitmanXx47 (BU) calls 1,291

Total pot: 5,443

Showdown:
luisboac (CO) shows A A (two pair, Aces and Queens)
equity - Pre-Flop: 87%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 89%, River: 0%)[/i]

xXHitmanXx47 (BU) shows K Q (three of a kind, Queens)
Equity - Pre-Flop: 13%, Flop: 18%, Turn: 11%, River: 100%)[/i]

xXHitmanXx47 (BU) wins 5,443
 
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Hard hand, because the villain's stats have a lot of that Q, as Flush draws. However, I think the draws turns off on the turn. Check / Fold river is an option.
 
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Tough spot , since he called your pot size bet on the turn it is very likely he holds a Qx or better so he never folds to a shove by you. You represent here Qx any set or a busted flush draw. But this is the worst timing for a bluff because he holds Qx.

I would check river and have a decision after his river bet the way you played it!
 
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Some can speak here about different betting size pre and after flop, but that would be bla-bla for me! I would play the same or some little moderate all the Hand;s stages ...

The problem here is that the opponent believes that he has the stronger Q-pair. You did what you can on the turn to make him fold, but eeeeh ...
I am trying to improve my image and do it with same hands like yours. It is poker, and you have to bear and overcome such hands, but in long term they will out pay you :top:

PS: He is one of those bastards I want to kick their butts :D
 
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You got unlucky, but would he ever call your bet on the river if he had anything else than a Qx or a set? This feels like a spot where you only get called if you're beaten. So why bother betting.
I might be wrong though. Any thoughts?
 
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Some can speak here about different betting size pre and after flop, but that would be bla-bla for me! I would play the same or some little moderate all the Hand;s stages ...

The problem here is that the opponent believes that he has the stronger Q-pair. You did what you can on the turn to make him fold, but eeeeh ...
I am trying to improve my image and do it with same hands like yours. It is poker, and you have to bear and overcome such hands, but in long term they will out pay you :top:

PS: He is one of those bastards I want to kick their butts :D


You can't overlook the sizes pre and post flop and you can't open raise or 3bet with random amounts of chips. The main idea in poker is to win the maximum whenever you win a pot and lose the minimun in marginal spots.

Those math spots makes the difference between recreational and good regular players.And to analyse is further those math and those pot odds will make a call +/- EV
 
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You got unlucky, but would he ever call your bet on the river if he had anything else than a Qx or a set? This feels like a spot where you only get called if you're beaten. So why bother betting.
I might be wrong though. Any thoughts?

Thanks everyone. I agree I should have check-folded the river, tilt got me and I made a wild stab at winning the pot even though I put villain solidly on a Q.
Guess I was hoping I could avoid this type of nasty situation but instead I need to learn to deal with them better.
 
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check/fold or check/call river depending on bet size and opponent.
 
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OP, you played all streets correctly except river, but check-folding on the river would be huge mistake. You block AQ, the most likely queen he could have, and you also don't have a club, which is great, so you have a great bluff-catcher. Check-call on the river is the right way to go, not check-fold.
 
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Thanks liuouhgkres I hadn't thought about the fact his most likely Q was AQ, I see how check-call makes sense now
 
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I saw last week in Las Vegas in a cash game exactly the same hand. But one more player had KK. He miraculously folded his KK on the turn with Q high on the table. Before his fold the other player with QJ called the all-in of the player with AA. QJ hits another Q on the river and takes the pot. It's just a bad beat my friend, you played perfect.
 
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Think it was played fine till River, but with this River I'd X/C. There are a lot of draws that missed and if the player is capable to turn them into a bluff you should give him the rope to hang himself. In theory, X/C would also be correct.


However, I tend towards X/F against readless. Most of his stronger hands he would have raised by now and therefore his range mostly consists of Qx and missed draws.If hes not capable of transforming the missed draws to a bluff, It weighs his hands stronger towards Qx.
 
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unlucky one here, you've given them terrible odds to try and outdraw you but they've still taken the chance on, maybe they thought you were full of sh!t but don't feel too bad about this hand because if you played the exact same situation over and over you'll actually be making money from these spots.
 
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I think check-fold is possible here. A bet on the turn narrows the range of the villain to have a flush draw and combinations with the lady. He wouldn't call with 6 or 9. The decision is difficult but you will have 25 blinds after the fold and you will be able to continue the fight.
 
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Recently I had similar experience: I had huge pocket pair (don't remember which exactly), led preflop, made raises on all postflop streets and got busted on showdown. So I was thinking what I could do better in that situation.

Imo double barrelling on the flop and turn is very reasonable. But the fact that villain called both times is worrying as we don't know if he has a monster or just persistently drawing to a flush or has a good made pair and unwilling to give up. But if the latter was correct then the villain could've improved to a set on the river.

Thus the question is whether you should check or raise (all-in in this case) on the river; and if one checks how to react to a raise from the villain (which would necessarily be all-in).

Imo the raise on the river is a must if it weren't for the second queen. But if you check then the villain sensing weakness could represent a queen. So this is a very tough spot. I could see check/fold but I'm not sure if I were capable of doing it; check/call is definitely an option in any case.
 
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What do you put them on by the turn after he calls? If they are fairly tight and aggressive it's unlikely they're calling your bet there to chase a flush draw. Best play on the river is check and then make a decision, leaning towards folding if they shove.
 
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