$1.10 NLHE MTT Bounty: $1,10 NLHE MTT Bounty: $1.10 KO NLHE MTT: QQ (utg) 3x vs 3-bet (Hi-Jack)

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$1.10 NLHE MTT Bounty: $1,10 NLHE MTT Bounty: $1.10 KO NLHE MTT: QQ (utg) 3x vs 3-bet (Hi-Jack)

pokerstars, $0.98 + $0.12 - Hold'em No Limit - 100/200 (25 ante) - 9 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

bad.fish866 (UTG): 5,409 (27 bb)
bogdangabi89 (UTG+1): 18,597 (93 bb)
Nilo.Muzamba (MP): 4,452 (22 bb)
TTusta (MP+1): 13,844 (69 bb)
AAceciliaKK (LP): 17,726 (89 bb)
chr_py (CO): 3,203 (16 bb)
burro54 (BU): 7,194 (36 bb)
the_parkking (SB): 9,005 (45 bb)
Blind4betJam (BB): 16,550 (83 bb)

Pre-Flop: (525) Hero (bad.fish866) is UTG with Q Q
bad.fish866 (UTG) raises to 680, 3 players fold, AAceciliaKK (LP) 3-bets to 1,999, 4 players fold, bad.fish866 (UTG) calls 1,319

Flop: (4,523) T 6 J (2 players)
bad.fish866 (UTG) bets 3,385 (all-in), AAceciliaKK (LP) calls 3,385

Turn: (11,293) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (11,293) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 11,293

Showdown:
bad.fish866 (UTG) shows Q Q (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 57%, Flop: 68%, Turn: 73%, River: 0%)

AAceciliaKK (LP) shows A K (a flush, King high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 43%, Flop: 32%, Turn: 27%, River: 100%)

AAceciliaKK (LP) wins 11,293



Not analyzing the result of the hand, was flat call correct? My move was thinking that if I pushed all in preflop he would call anyway, I would see a crazy ace up the river. Decide to just pay in the PF to avoid my elimination by pushing everything on the flop. Would someone play differently? These Bounty Tournaments have many calling station and maniacs. That was also the reason of my bet a little bigger in the PF, since it was a good time without playing because only came bad hands.
 
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I would have played it the same way. If A or K comes on the flop you can escape. As played it makes sense villain called because he doesn’t know you have 2 of his str8 outs.
 
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4Bet shove

Going off the information you gave (''in bounty tournaments player seems to be maniacs and calling stations''), my opinion would be to 4 bet shove (with only 23bbs left) because if he is a aggro hes 3betting range would be light so he wouldn't have AAs or KKs, his range would consist of alot of Ax hands (which ur crushing 70% of the time) worst case scenario ur flipping AK
More player dependent if its a call or 4bet.
 
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The concern with QQ is losing to a random A/K, so you can’t ask for more than a flop that misses that and you can still have a chance to double up.

He probably reraises with 99+, AQo, AKo, ATs+, so you’ve got good equity here.

Good +EV play. I think you make it every time. Just a bad beat
 
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This hand and your logic is a mess. Your preflop raise size is too large. In today’s game the optimal preflop opening size is 2-2.3x post ante. When you get 3bet, flat calling 37% of your stack is optimal almost never. Your reasoning of, “If I shove I’m getting called anyway and don’t wanna see an ace on the flop” is awful. Is QQ ahead of your opponent’s 3B/call range assuming you have zero fold equity? If yes, jam, if no, fold.

Flop lead is meh, if there’s a hand to do it with its QQ or a draw, however this will cap your checking range in this spot, which is why I prefer checking hands like QQ and leading draws which can get folds from better hands.
 
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IMHO 4bet shoving, I think it's the right one.
 
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open raise a bit less 1st (between 400-500), then after you get 3 bet gladly 4 bet shove and be happy about it regardless of the outcome.
 
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You didn't post any info on the villain; if he is loose/aggressive then 4-bet all-in is definitely an option.

Your raise all-in on the flop is fine; simulator shows that you were 72.83% favourite at the time so you just got unlucky. In any case you were pot-committed and with this board so you had no choice but to go all-in (as checking in the presence of a flush draw is no good).
 
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Due to the different responses, I decided to simulate this in CardRunnersEV. Maybe this will give you more reasoning for certain decisions. I made the following assumptions:

  • Your opening range is: 66+,A2-A5s,A9s+,AJo+,KQo 12.82%
  • His 3-betting range, which is pretty tight but his 3-bet looks extremely strong against your EP-raise: QQ+,AKo,AQs+ 2.87%
  • This is situation is ChipEV, meaning no ICM involved yet

Shoving over his open


Scenario



Assumption:


  • Villain doesn't fold any part of his range


Shoving over his open is only profitable with the following hands (in ChipEV):



Calling and then shoving
Here, I had to make some more assumptions:

  • If we call, we commit with at least TP or a strong flushdraw (2nd nut-flushdraw at least) and shove flop, we check the rest
  • If we shove, villain commits with at least TP or a strong flushdraw as well (2nd nut-flushdraw at least) and folds rest
  • If we check, villain shoves most of his range to put pressure on us

Here are the profitable hands you can do that with (in ChipEV)

So in conclusion, it seems to be more profitable to call this bet and ensure a safe flop which you can shove with instead of shoving (almost break-even), which sort of makes sense in my opinion - we don't have any fold-equity with our 4-bet shove if villain has a strong 3-betting range and we make sure to give ourselves the best circumstances to get it in.


Obviously, this will vary depending on the assumptions you make, but I think this should resemble population tendencies and is still on the tight side, as most would also commit with middling pocket-pairs with a SPR of 1.
 
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Your push is correct, I would play also.
 
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I wouldn't have played it much differently, tough luck on the runout of the board.
 
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