$1.10 NLHE MTT: $1.10 NLHE MTT: Top pair and flush draw after flop.

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So we are late in a tournament (72 players left of 4270). The Blinds are 4000/8000, I had roughly about 170,000 chips and I had been playing really tight the whole tournament. I only saw 10% of the flop, and I'll guess I only saw about 5% the last hour.

The person UTG+1 raises to 2 times the Big Blind. This player was the chip leader and had been playing a little loose lately, and my first thought was that I fold if anyone else call.

No one call, and I had 10d and Kd in the big blind. Since everyone else has folded, I'm considering both shoving and folding, but decide to just call.

Flop comes 10c, 8d and 2d. Gives me top pair and flush draw.
I raise to 32,000 (4 Big blinds)
UTG+1 reraise to 72,000

What now? What would you do?

My action and the outcome is in the spoiler.

I go all-in.
UTG+1 call.

UTG+1 shows a pocket pair of 8. I don't make the flush and he wins with a set of 8, and I got 72 place.

There was a pay-jump for about 1 Buy-in between 71 and 72, if that should matter on anyone's decision in this case.
 
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Must admit. Im still in the micros.. so a shove might sound brash. I'm looking to see what others say.
 
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As a min raise its seems like a tester.. but it's for a large chunk of his stack.. I'd find I hard to fold with the flush draw there..
 
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he may also have the A high flush draw or a set... these are tough to let go! A lot of times that's how your tournament ends
 
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Why are you leading flop here? This a board that favors the aggressor's range, especially EP vs BB, so it's unlikely it gets checked through very often and leading with anything here is a mistake when we can let the BB bet and x/jam all our made hands/flopped equity.

As played, obviously jam over, U have top pair and 2nd nut flush draw. Before looking at the spoiler I'm guessing U ran into an overpair and bricked your draw.
 
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The pot passed 100k, you have the upper pair, the flush as ordered to come. Now, you need a reading from your opponent, with which he does this by increasing the value of the pot, or he has a pair of 10 or 8 in his pocket or eat more than that. The UTG + 1 Normal plays with Ad, Qd, it's in range plus hands as well. Difficult situation, I'm wide, certainly fold. Because of the bubble, and he would not do it against you if you did not have the best hand on the flop, seeing that you have 10% flop.
At least you did not lose the buy-in rsrsrs
 
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have a read:
https://www.upswingpoker.com/donk-bet-lead-flop-strategy/

id explain why leading here is bad, but donk bets are a topic that have been covered pretty extensively all over the internet. so ill let this article explain it. donk bets can be good, but rarely and you have to understand whats going on to use it effectively. i donk bet maybe 2% to 3% of the flops i see.
 
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I think check-raising will give the most money in micro stakes, but I can see leading against very passive opponents being a good option as well.
 
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Yeap his range is transparent here 22,88, JJ+ , Axs. I would check raise though because our hand doesn't need crazy protection here in order to donk bet it. He made the raise in order to induce by you the all in.

One of those situations I try to learn how to play them but always fall into opponent's trap haha.. Thanks for posting!GG
 
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So we are late in a tournament (72 players left of 4270). The Blinds are 4000/8000, I had roughly about 170,000 chips and I had been playing really tight the whole tournament. I only saw 10% of the flop, and I'll guess I only saw about 5% the last hour.

The person UTG+1 raises to 2 times the Big Blind. This player was the chip leader and had been playing a little loose lately, and my first thought was that I fold if anyone else call.

No one call, and I had 10d and Kd in the big blind. Since everyone else has folded, I'm considering both shoving and folding, but decide to just call.

Flop comes 10c, 8d and 2d. Gives me top pair and flush draw.
I raise to 32,000 (4 Big blinds)
UTG+1 reraise to 72,000

What now? What would you do?

My action and the outcome is in the spoiler.

I go all-in.
UTG+1 call.

UTG+1 shows a pocket pair of 8. I don't make the flush and he wins with a set of 8, and I got 72 place.

There was a pay-jump for about 1 Buy-in between 71 and 72, if that should matter on anyone's decision in this case.

At the point in the game Hero had 21 BB with okay suited two gap Broadway cards, a tight table image to anybody that table for the past hour.

Villain was chip leader (I'm assuming 100+ BB) and been bullying the table.

When whether or not to call when folded to after a raise from chip leader was an accurate assessment on hero's part.

On flop the decision to bet into PFR and Chip Leader with TP and excellent kicker was neither good nor bad in my opinion, it's just the decision made at the time, and one to be learned from.

However A better play, with TP and excellent Kicker I would have approached this situation, by checking and let the PFR fire a bullet. The size of that bullet would tell you loads of info on his hand and possibly polarized it for you so as to make a more informed decision and maybe seeing a turn card for free.

Without two pair or a draw of 12 outs or more with 20 BB a fold to any raise after the flop was in order.

Regards,
GiGiCat:)
 
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IMO, if the villain is playing too loose, you should 3bet about 3x or shove or fold, the call makes it harder to know what he might have and gives your hand much more value playing againt a very loose player, specially if you have been playing tight.

In the flop, check/raise shove, your hand is very strong, specially against his loose range and, if he has a set, you still got some 35% chance to hit the second nut flush.

EDIT: Just saw the spoiler, yes, he had the set, but your hand was too strong to fold, bad luck
 
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