$0.55 NLHE MTT: FT decision,to flip or not to flip?

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PokerStars - 60000/120000 Ante 12500 NL - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 54.23 BB (VPIP: 18.91, PFR: 6.60, 3Bet Preflop: 5.48, hands: 208)
CO: 31.45 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 8.21, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 208)
BTN: 30.74 BB (VPIP: 35.77, PFR: 12.59, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 138)
Hero (SB): 29.05 BB
BB: 23.54 BB (VPIP: 31.45, PFR: 8.28, 3Bet Preflop: 1.49, Hands: 159)

5 players post ante of 0.1 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.02 BB) Hero has J J

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, BB raises to 23.43 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 20.43 BB

Flop: (50.38 BB, 2 players) 9 4 9

Turn: (50.38 BB, 2 players) K

River: (50.38 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero shows J J (Two Pair, Jacks and Nines)
(Pre 57%, Flop 76%, Turn 5%)
BB shows K A (Two Pair, Kings and Nines)
(Pre 43%, Flop 24%, Turn 95%)
BB wins 50.38 BB

Hello guys..i faced a difficult situation at FT of Big 0.55(5 players remaining) and i have couple of questions,but first i want to explain the way i played the hand..Fistly,I decided to flat instead of 3bet out of position or shove(i dont think its optimal to shove here 28bb) against CO open because as you see CO player opens very tight and also he steals very rarely(1/17 times or 6%) according to my HUD,so i thought to play a smaller pot against strong villain's range and decide postflop my actions even i am not fan to play out of position..but then,BB shoves 24bbs with 1.49% 3bet preflop....I was thinking that he wouldnt squeeze with aces and probably with kings...he can have QQ,99-TT,and ofc AQs+,AKo...also with flatting my jacks from SB i am on top of my range i think,something he doesnt know...so even he doesnt abuse often,i think he can shove with a little wider range but still stong range..CO folds..and i called..so my questions:1)is it wrong that i flat Jacks?what u would do?2)would u risk calling with Jacks his all-in according to ICM or its safer to fold according to his nit stats?Thanks in advance guys..feel free to add anything i forget to mention(critisism also accepted)
PS:Even its not an excuse for my decision to call,it was a 10hours+ MTT,this decision was at 6 in the morning and i was really exhausted..Literally i said,now or never...
 
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Disgusting spot. Flat pre is fine. If you feel BB rejams 99+ AQ+ then you have to call it off.
 
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With those stats it looks like the BB is very passive, so maybe they will just flat pairs worse than JJ to see a flop, so I don't know how often they will be jamming them. I think flatting is alright with these stack sizes, but CO is probably opening up just a little bit lighter than you're giving him credit for since its 5 handed now.

3betting could be an option, although getting shoved on by either player really sucks. With the stack sizes, 3betting is really committing you to the hand, and folding to a 4bet feels way to nitty 5 handed. I would probably 3bet call BB but not CO, if BB has bigger pair, I cry. But calling underreps our hand and could induce a shove from BB like actually happened. In that case I think it's still the right call. Blah.
 
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Definitely the correct call. BB is short stack with about 16 adjusted big blinds, so he will be shoving there with wider range than his stats suggest.
 
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This spot is close but one think is important: the BB is really passive so I don't think he is going to squeeze pre with anything worth than TT. It's close but it's correct.
 
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Its not a difficult situation. You must play 3bet and fold to push here.
 
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Its not a difficult situation. You must play 3bet and fold to push here.
You say it's not a difficult situation and then advise to 3-betting JJ with 22 adjusted BB and folding to 4bet 4 handed :rolleyes:
Even if you put him only on AK and JJ+ you are still pot committed to call once you 3bet. If you add 10 10 then it's a snap call.

You're not helping anyone when you don't explain your reasoning.
 
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You say it's not a difficult situation and then advise to 3-betting JJ with 22 adjusted BB and folding to 4bet 4 handed :rolleyes:
Even if you put him only on AK and JJ+ you are still pot committed to call once you 3bet. If you add 10 10 then it's a snap call.

You're not helping anyone when you don't explain your reasoning.

I agree that don't explain the reason are bad and this guy usually don't help so much with his answers but a 3bet to 9BB would not put him pot comitted in my opinion, the pot would be 15bb maybe the BB would just call, if he jams I don't see a bad fold.

I would call and fold the BB jams.
 
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I agree that don't explain the reason are bad and this guy usually don't help so much with his answers but a 3bet to 9BB would not put him pot comitted in my opinion, the pot would be 15bb maybe the BB would just call, if he jams I don't see a bad fold.

I would call and fold the BB jams.
Once he 3bets to 9bb it leaves him with 39% pot odds to call shove. Unless you only put him on JJ+ and don't even include AK then he's pot committed.
 
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I would 3bet pre flop here, it would give you much more information, but probably you wouldnt fold a JJ at the last 5, only if his 4bet shove range is QQ+, it could be easier to fold, but its a tough spot anyway
 
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Once he 3bets to 9bb it leaves him with 39% pot odds to call shove. Unless you only put him on JJ+ and don't even include AK then he's pot committed.

Its is not wise to include JJ if you are already holding two jacks. Well I did the calculation and he is not pot committed if he needs up to 39% and I include AK Sem ttulo.
 
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You say it's not a difficult situation and then advise to 3-betting JJ with 22 adjusted BB and folding to 4bet 4 handed :rolleyes:
Even if you put him only on AK and JJ+ you are still pot committed to call once you 3bet. If you add 10 10 then it's a snap call.

You're not helping anyone when you don't explain your reasoning.

First: I'm not going to teach anyone to play poker.
Secondly: If you are playing the ICM stage, with CHIP EV model it is your personal problem.
And why I dont help? I wrote how to play.
 
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First: I'm not going to teach anyone to play poker.
Secondly: If you are playing the ICM stage, with CHIP EV model it is your personal problem.
And why I dont help? I wrote how to play.
Because anyone can say what to do, but unless you give some logic behind the action then the advice is worthless. Are you some poker pro that everyone should listen because you have proven yourself? :rolleyes:

Because of ICM stage I call instead of 3bet preflop, but once he 3bets then he has no choice, but to call 4bet. When he folds then he becomes the short stack and on the next blind level he's forced to shove/call much worse hands than JJ.
 
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Because anyone can say what to do, but unless you give some logic behind the action then the advice is worthless. Are you some poker pro that everyone should listen because you have proven yourself? :rolleyes:


You may, not listen to me. You can skip my messages. And the logic of actions can not be described in one sentence, moreover, the style of the game for all is completely different. Even if I spend a lot of time to write everything out by describing this situation, I'm sure that you still will not understand and will argue. I was convinced of this more than once. Want to get to the truth? Install poker software and work with it.
 
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You may, not listen to me. You can skip my messages. And the logic of actions can not be described in one sentence, moreover, the style of the game for all is completely different. Even if I spend a lot of time to write everything out by describing this situation, I'm sure that you still will not understand and will argue. I was convinced of this more than once. Want to get to the truth? Install poker software and work with it.
Micro stakes player says that his strategy is so advanced that no one will understand him :rolleyes: :D
 
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