$0.55 NLHE MTT: Facing big raise on flop with 2 pairs

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Hey forum guys..i had a tough spot with unknown villain..my question is how would u play on flop?i will say my thoughts in 2nd message :)


PokerStars - 60/120 Ante 15 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 33.88 BB (VPIP: 19.35, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, hands: 31)
UTG+1: 79.77 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (MP): 78.42 BB
MP+1: 69.02 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP+2: 42.78 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
CO: 81.34 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BTN: 34.68 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
SB: 160.31 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BB: 40.38 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.62 BB) Hero has Q J

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 1.7 BB, fold

Flop: (6.52 BB, 2 players) Q 9 J
SB checks, Hero bets 3.46 BB, SB raises to 16.9 BB, Hero calls 13.44 BB

Turn: (40.32 BB, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (40.32 BB, 2 players) 6
SB bets 40.32 BB, fold

[spoil]SB wins 40.32 BB
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First of all i dont use to open QJo from UTG+2 because its loose open,but for some reason i opened it..(i was multitabling)..Villain on SB with very big stack,calls and note that he has played 6/10 hands so far..Flop 2 pairs for me in heavy draw board..i standard cbet to protect my hand and he raises almost 5x..i decided to call..turn is the worst card for my range(or maybe good because it possibly saves me from some ''hero call'' by villain's made hand..)we both check..so on river he lead bets pot size bet and i folded ofc..So about the flop..i think even his raise is big i have the equity to call..his range should be:A2-AT of spades,K6-KT of spades,99-AA(maybe he slowplayed kings and aces preflop),Q9-QJsuited,T8s,K9o-KQo and Q9o..so its a sum of 2 pairs,staights,flush draws,gutshots,few sets and over pairs..equilab says that against this range i have 34% equity and i needed 33% to call..i dont know how i would continue if some brick would come on turn..depending if he would bet or check ofc..so would u play hand differently?
 
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First off, please don't open QJo from UTG+2. I realize you were multi-tabling but do pay a bit more attention. Anyway, I dont think it matters how many hands SB has played so far in the given situation. The really alarming thing is that he flatted from the SB (and not the BB). In my experience, players are over-folding thier SB in SNG's and MTT's. The fact that he inflates the pot so much on the flop says to me that he could have easily flatted with say K10s (not spades) or was apprehensive about 3-betting 99 oop and decided to just call and take a flop. Either way, this puts you behind. I think your c-bet on the flop was perfectly fine. I think your call when he check-raises to that amount however, was incorrect. The only way I can see it panning out for you is if you plan to bluff the turn. But then again, how many random spades do you open from UTG+2 besides A5 or A9 of spades. The tricky part is, had you decided to bluff the turn, you could be bluffing his exact holding. When he flats from the SB, if he is as laggy as he sounds, he could be holding A9 of spades very easily. Not to mention that I don't think you have much fold equity here against this villain (lol). Moral of the story, pay more attention or play less tables. :D
 
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First off, please don't open QJo from UTG+2. I realize you were multi-tabling but do pay a bit more attention. Anyway, I dont think it matters how many hands SB has played so far in the given situation. The really alarming thing is that he flatted from the SB (and not the BB). In my experience, players are over-folding thier SB in SNG's and MTT's. The fact that he inflates the pot so much on the flop says to me that he could have easily flatted with say K10s (not spades) or was apprehensive about 3-betting 99 oop and decided to just call and take a flop. Either way, this puts you behind. I think your c-bet on the flop was perfectly fine. I think your call when he check-raises to that amount however, was incorrect. The only way I can see it panning out for you is if you plan to bluff the turn. But then again, how many random spades do you open from UTG+2 besides A5 or A9 of spades. The tricky part is, had you decided to bluff the turn, you could be bluffing his exact holding. When he flats from the SB, if he is as laggy as he sounds, he could be holding A9 of spades very easily. Not to mention that I don't think you have much fold equity here against this villain (lol). Moral of the story, pay more attention or play less tables. :D


Hey my friend and thx for answer.U have right about QJo opening..Very rarely i open it from UTG+2 because is not ''correct'' especially when i was playing 11 tables so i dont want one more trouble spot when i have to think other tables at the same time..:)...About SB call preflop..ofc his range is much stronger than BB call but in micros u can see calling with many trashes..its not ofc excuse but a player with VPIP 60 even at 10 hands,alarms you that his calling range isn't optimal..Anyway,i see your explanation about folding flop reasonable as villains C/R that big..About that turn card,i think there isnt other way to play it,than check back,as it hits all his semi bluff range(flush draws,gutshots,straight draws)..A turn bet here by me would be an overplay of my 2 pairs in a lethal board..also i have around 8% equity to hit a full house on the river so check is snap...The only very risky play i could do(and not realistic play as i wouldnt do it at all) would be to bet turn(risking as u correctly said bluffing his exact holding) and shove river as bluff (if he would-check call turn and check river) to make him fold his sets and straights by my potential flush,even i dont have many combos(let say A2-ATs=9combos if he doesnt have any blocker)but i cant know exactly his holding and also i dont think in micros someone folds straight that easy..
 
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Absolutely, you hit it on the head, that's why I said you didn't have much fold equity here. Overall tho, pretty nasty spot on the flop but I still vote to fold (to his C/R). I hope my post helped in some way and I appreciate your reply.
 
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Always opening QJo here in a $0.55 MTT because players do not 3B bluff at a reasonable frequency at these stakes.

I'm jamming over V's x/r here, his sizing doesn't indicate he's going to fold and you have top2 pair. As played fold river.
 
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