$0.55 NLHE MTT Bounty: Is raise with straight OK here against loose fishy opponent?

$0.55 NLHE MTT Bounty: Is raise with straight OK here against loose fishy opponent?

So Raise here is OK or not?

pokerstars Hand #164137450045: Tournament #1776029718, $0.25+$0.25+$0.05 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (45/90) - 2017/01/06 19:23:48 CET [2017/01/06 13:23:48 ET]
Table '1776029718 132' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: frederikj (14047 in chips, $0.49 bounty)
Seat 2: RoccoOcean (13661 in chips, $0.37 bounty)
Seat 3: SexyTanchik (17098 in chips, $0.73 bounty)
Seat 4: pokristVados (8898 in chips, $0.25 bounty)
Seat 5: 1952felix (2231 in chips, $0.25 bounty)
Seat 6: WeenieSVK (7656 in chips, $0.25 bounty)
Seat 7: vamuzki (5191 in chips, $0.25 bounty)
Seat 8: Maikl834 (10262 in chips, $0.37 bounty)
Seat 9: SPACECASH 9 (5000 in chips, $0.25 bounty)
frederikj: posts small blind 45
RoccoOcean: posts big blind 90
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WeenieSVK []
SexyTanchik: folds
pokristVados: folds
1952felix: calls 90
WeenieSVK: calls 90
vamuzki: folds
Maikl834: folds
frederikj: folds
RoccoOcean: checks
*** FLOP ***
RoccoOcean: bets 270
1952felix: folds
WeenieSVK: calls 270
*** TURN ***
RoccoOcean: bets 319
WeenieSVK: calls 319
*** RIVER ***
RoccoOcean: bets 1905
WeenieSVK: raises 5058 to 6963 and is all-in
RoccoOcean: calls 5058
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WeenieSVK: shows (a straight, Seven to Jack)
RoccoOcean: shows (a full house, Tens full of Sevens)
RoccoOcean collected 15531 from pot
RoccoOcean wins $0.13 for eliminating WeenieSVK and their own bounty increases by $0.12 to $0.49
WeenieSVK finished the tournament

the main problem I see is you considering another player a "fish". unless you got enough data that fish might have been a Shark pretending to be a Fish!

drcarloshimg said:

the main problem I see is you considering another player a "fish". unless you got enough data that fish might have been a Shark pretending to be a Fish!

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I had only few hands on him, thats true, but I doubt he was shark and he was playing very loose and not only preflop. So how about that raise, your opinion?

raise

i am a fish and i would do the same raise

maybe you should have call this bet given the fact that he raises more than 100% of the pot on the river so in most cases that means villain is either bluffing or has a very strong hand. after you shove all in villain will probably call you with at least a set so your shove wasnt a bad move at all, however calling his bet was also a good choice considering how big his river bet was.

Raise flop, call river.

If willi' is an loose fish bet him hard, it is my opinion. In your particular case- the hand you posted- your adv. do not seems to me to be a fish, so treat him nice, like slow playing... !

rock0001 said:

maybe you should have call this bet given the fact that he raises more than 100% of the pot on the river so in most cases that means villain is either bluffing or has a very strong hand. after you shove all in villain will probably call you with at least a set so your shove wasnt a bad move at all, however calling his bet was also a good choice considering how big his river bet was.

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I was almost 100% sure he had 10 and I think he would play the hand pretty much same with just trips and there was much bigger chance that he has "only" trips and not fullhouse. Also the fact that he bets relatively small on turn and than much bigger on river could indicate, that on turn, he was still affraid of that flush draw. But when that flushdraw was busted on river, he wasnt affraid of flush anymore, so he overbets river to get max value possible from hands like 10 with worse kicker or 2 pairs. Thats how I was thinking about it. There was just one little problem about it, that I was wrong Thanks for reply.

flod preflop 89s and all is ok
why call utg+3 89
you fish bro sorry

WeenieSVK said:

I was almost 100% sure he had 10 and I think he would play the hand pretty much same with just trips and there was much bigger chance that he has "only" trips and not fullhouse. Also the fact that he bets relatively small on turn and than much bigger on river could indicate, that on turn, he was still affraid of that flush draw. But when that flushdraw was busted on river, he wasnt affraid of flush anymore, so he overbets river to get max value possible from hands like 10 with worse kicker or 2 pairs. Thats how I was thinking about it. There was just one little problem about it, that I was wrong Thanks for reply.

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I'm not sure about your last action, even you were sure about your opponent have had 10. My opinion here is that you should resumed calling instead raise all in after your opponent bet. These days its better to call with 79off rather JK or JQ weird poker. Nothing tilts me like pokerstars, insane poker room.

ciobanuionut said:

flod preflop 89s and all is ok
why call utg+3 89
you fish bro sorry

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lol why would I fold there such a nice hand which flops nice like suited connectors when guy limped before me and I was that deep? And I also flopped big draw which I actually made, just got unlucky against fullhouse. If you fold that hand there preflop, then YOU should learn this game a little bit before you talk about it and call others fish lol.

It's a deep bounty tournament so your preflop limp is ok. You play this hand very well. You've got the draws and you waited for the card. It's not possible to know that he has a full house taking in account the way he was playing. There is some reason that you called this guy a loosy fish, so based on your observation all your actions were correct. I would play it on the same way.

I reckon the preflop limp is okay, although it is nice to have the betting lead with hands that can flop draws. I think I would also call flop here as a default. The bet looks quite strong and you have a strong enough draw where you are getting the direct odds to call. I think that the river is opponent dependant. Some passive fishy players will only ever three barrel with the absolute nuts, especially when they decide to make it so big on the river, but if they are spewey then I think that this raise can be good if you figure that they will bet call with all of their trips.

Think both raising and calling flop is fine. Depending on the player i'd try to raise the turn trying to rep a T getting him to fold overpairs etc. Would be a disaster if you get reraised tho. Can just call there if you think he's sticky. He's potting river so again depending on the player i jam or call. If i think he's going like this with any Tx overpairs Jx etc and he's to sticky calling with his aces any tx etc i jam. If i think he has to many boats and wont call a jam from a bunch worse i fold. Player dependend. Vs fish i'd probs jam.

I trully believe you did everything right, i would do the same especially bacause of his bet on the river, i would be finding it as a typical intimidation and i wouldn't expect that he is gonna show a full house right there.

Never limp. When you play, preflop raise and always agression! You`re here with possition and raise preflop is obligatory.

Which hand do you want to knock? Given the size of his bet, its call. Just out of luck

PokerFunKid said:

Think both raising and calling flop is fine. Depending on the player i'd try to raise the turn trying to rep a T getting him to fold overpairs etc. Would be a disaster if you get reraised tho. Can just call there if you think he's sticky. He's potting river so again depending on the player i jam or call. If i think he's going like this with any Tx overpairs Jx etc and he's to sticky calling with his aces any tx etc i jam. If i think he has to many boats and wont call a jam from a bunch worse i fold. Player dependend. Vs fish i'd probs jam.

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woops just re-read it. obv just calling instead of folding.

I think Tx is what this player has a lot of the time, but I think limping here is the real mistake. It allows the player to have any hand here, even something like T4, T7, where he has a full house on the T turn.

If we just call and he has something like KT or QT, I'm gonna be pretty upset that we didn't get all of his chips. Nothing wrong with the call except that I wish we could narrow this players hand down better

16clumsyandshy said:

If we just call and he has something like KT or QT, I'm gonna be pretty upset that we didn't get all of his chips. Nothing wrong with the call except that I wish we could narrow this players hand down better

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rock0001 said:

maybe you should have call this bet given the fact that he raises more than 100% of the pot on the river so in most cases that means villain is either bluffing or has a very strong hand. after you shove all in villain will probably call you with at least a set so your shove wasnt a bad move at all, however calling his bet was also a good choice considering how big his river bet was.

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Gotta agree with Rock. I would have called the river bet. Yes, if he shows KT or KQ, you leave him with chips (always a bummer), but then again, you are not eliminated if you just call his always possible pair on the board FH.

But yes, your raise is definitely OK here!

raise or not?

I think your table position at the warranted a raise pre-flop. everybody limping in caused the situation to begin with.

WeenieSVK, your re-raise showe on the river is to agro at blinds Level VII (45/90) . And, maybe would ask yourself why your adversary was so passive until the river...

Table was spoken before you got river. There was two T on table. And you basicaly got nothing, but very nice expectations.
So after two T on table, you must ask yourself about posibility of worst scenario: full house.
People got so many times worst scenarios on the table, but didnt want to see that can be killed in (obvious?!) ambush.