$0.5 NLHE MTT: Pre-flop Shove with 88, right move?

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Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 1,250/2,500 (250 ante) - 9 players
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UTG: 66,976 (27 bb)
UTG+1: 63,850 (26 bb)
MP: 29,350 (12 bb)
MP+1: 133,128 (53 bb)
LP: 29,750 (12 bb)
CO: 62,175 (25 bb)
BU: 30,000 (12 bb)
SB: 120,701 (48 bb)
BB (Hero): 24,900 (10 bb)

Pre-Flop: (6,000) Hero is BB with 8 8
3 players fold, MP+1 raises to 5,000, 4 players fold, Hero 3-bets to 24,650 (all-in), MP+1 calls 19,650

Flop: (52,800) 3 J 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (52,800) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (52,800) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 52,800

Showdown:
BB (Hero) shows 8 8 (two pair, Eights and Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 51%, Flop: 68%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

MP+1 shows T Q (two pair, Queens and Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 49%, Flop: 32%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

MP+1 wins 52,800
 
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1st mistake was all in right away with your 88.
imho

With low/mid pair you have to play more carefull, unless you don't care about money, and if you're going to win in a long run.
More self discipline, emotion controll, and play more TAG
 
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Thanks, dino.

I opened up my range a bit wider than I normally play since I was down to 10 BB. I should have played tighter still?
 
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I think, this is perfectly fine. If you just call, postflop is going to be a nightmare, and you will get bluffed out of the pot very frequently by the "big stack bully". By jamming you make sure, that you get to realise the full equity of your hand, and you get at least some fold equity. In this case you ended up playing a "flip", which is completely fine. With a 10BB stack you need a dubble up within the next orbit or two, so you cant sit around and wait for the nuts.
 
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Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 1,250/2,500 (250 ante) - 9 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: 66,976 (27 bb)
UTG+1: 63,850 (26 bb)
MP: 29,350 (12 bb)
MP+1: 133,128 (53 bb)
LP: 29,750 (12 bb)
CO: 62,175 (25 bb)
BU: 30,000 (12 bb)
SB: 120,701 (48 bb)
BB (Hero): 24,900 (10 bb)

Pre-Flop: (6,000) Hero is BB with 8 8
3 players fold, MP+1 raises to 5,000, 4 players fold, Hero 3-bets to 24,650 (all-in), MP+1 calls 19,650

Flop: (52,800) 3 J 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (52,800) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (52,800) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 52,800

Showdown:
BB (Hero) shows 8 8 (two pair, Eights and Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 51%, Flop: 68%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

MP+1 shows T Q (two pair, Queens and Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 49%, Flop: 32%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

MP+1 wins 52,800

Depends how loose the opener is.

If he's opening very wide as a big stack here you can often get your money in good (as you did), against a nitty player it's a different case but in 0.50 tourney you'll see all kinds of junk calling your jam here.

If you are right right on the bubble maybe you consider folding, but if there is still significant time to get there (which based on the blind level there probably is) then it's a fine spot to try and build your stack up and give you more play.

not an IDEAL spot of course, but we can't have nothing but ideal spots in our poker games :)
 
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You decided to fight the table chip leader. You have 22 more bb. You can play to play. With such a pair, it is better to flush the blind call. If you hit the set then play on or if the board has. But to go all Inn to 22 bb is a mistake
 
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You decided to fight the table chip leader. You have 22 more bb. You can play to play. With such a pair, it is better to flush the blind call. If you hit the set then play on or if the board has. But to go all Inn to 22 bb is a mistake

Hero started with 10BB not 22BB,
 
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Shoving 10bb with 88 is certainly the right move. Any chart/icm program will tell you this. Use these resources to your advantage and stop being results oriented.
 
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I certainly shove here too, is pretty fine.
With 10bb left there's no much room for waiting when you have a hand like that. The hand plays for itself here in my opinion.
 
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Push with dueses will be right move in here. You can play it differently if it will be better than push (for example opponent never fold vs 3bet and never play call vs donk on the flop)
 
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Shoving 10bb with 88 is certainly the right move. Any chart/icm program will tell you this. Use these resources to your advantage and stop being results oriented.


Yeah this, focus on the decision and don't question standard spots Just because the result didn't work out. Questioning the decision in itself is always good though and that's what we're here for :D

Also ignore anyone who tells you this is not a jam they literally got no clue what they're talking about :rolleyes:
 
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I believe your move was correct. With direct all-in you have, in addition to the equity of your hand against the range of the calling villain, the fold equity of the other hands that the villain opened.
Unfortunately this time he beat his, but you made the best move with 10bbs.
 
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