$0.25 NLHE STT Turbo: River bet with K high to risky on a J5566 board?

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poker stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t/t Blinds - 3 players

BB: t320 16 BBs - VPIP: 73, PFR: 18, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, hands: 11
Hero (BTN): t730 37 BBs
SB: t450 23 BBs - VPIP: 18, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 11

Pre Flop: (t0) Hero is BTN with K 4
Hero raises to t40, 1 fold, BB calls t40

Flop: (t80) J 5 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t80) 6 (2 players)
BB bets t20, Hero calls t20

River: (t120) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB folds

I have the feeling the I should not have bet this river. I don't think he would call with Q high, and I don't think he would fold A high, or a j, 5 or 6. So there is not much value in betting here, especially in position I could just have checked back.
I just sensed weakness and got the automatic reaction to bet.
 
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Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t/t Blinds - 3 players

BB: t320 16 BBs - VPIP: 73, PFR: 18, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 11
Hero (BTN): t730 37 BBs
SB: t450 23 BBs - VPIP: 18, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 11

Pre Flop: (t0) Hero is BTN with K 4
Hero raises to t40, 1 fold, BB calls t40

Flop: (t80) J 5 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t80) 6 (2 players)
BB bets t20, Hero calls t20

River: (t120) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB folds

I have the feeling the I should not have bet this river. I don't think he would call with Q high, and I don't think he would fold A high, or a j, 5 or 6. So there is not much value in betting here, especially in position I could just have checked back.
I just sensed weakness and got the automatic reaction to bet.

Indeed, the bet on a river bring you nothing except eventually pain. But what i really didn't get is, why did you checked behind on a such flop as original PF-Raiser? For me paired flop would mean automatically CBet against 1 opponent no matter what position i have lol
And another strange thing was that min-raise with marginal cards, when the stacks are still pretty deep. It's like saying to your opponents: "welcome to the pot, i give you good pot chances". By that many random hands coming in and we have no idea later, where do we staying at. In other words we gonna be playing against much wider hand range, than if we would bet more. So betting it at least x2,5 or 3 would be better play in my opinion.
 
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Minraising pre with our entire opening range here is fine. K4o I would never be opening here with no antes, though.

Bet 30 on the flop. Your opponent is going to miss this flop a very high % of the time and our hand has no real value, so if we can bet and take it down on the flop that is a great result.

Check river, betting here accomplishes nothing. You are not getting a 5/6/J to fold and believe it or not, you have some showdown value with K high here. A high may not fold either considering you rep very little.
 
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Minraising pre with our entire opening range here is fine. K4o I would never be opening here with no antes, though.

The point of opening here is that I will always be in position, and the SB always folded (out of 6 'steal' attempts he always folded), so it is almost like a HU game against the BB. HU I think K4o, is good enough to open.
Would limping be a good option here, considering both SB and BB don't raise often pre flop at all?

But what i really didn't get is, why did you checked behind on a such flop as original PF-Raiser? For me paired flop would mean automatically CBet against 1 opponent no matter what position i have lol
Bet 30 on the flop. Your opponent is going to miss this flop a very high % of the time and our hand has no real value, so if we can bet and take it down on the flop that is a great result.

Is it still a good idea to CBet if the opponent never folds against CBets?
I guess it is, because he plays so many hands that K high probably is the best hand here, but it also makes almost any card that comes a bit scary.
 
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