$0.25 NLHE MTT: Post flop against aggressive

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poker stars, $0.23 Buy-in (60/120 blinds, 15 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools by CardRunners - Hand Details

BB: 2,109 (17.6 bb)
MP1: 1,308 (10.9 bb)
MP2: 5,196 (43.3 bb)
MP3: 4,094 (34.1 bb)
CO: 1,799 (15 bb)
Hero (BTN): 2,993 (24.9 bb)
SB: 3,143 (26.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q:spade: K:club:
MP1 folds, MP2 calls 120, 2 folds, Hero raises to 360, 2 folds, MP2 calls 240

Flop: (1,005) 8:spade: 7:heart: 4:diamond: (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets 683, MP2 calls 683

Turn: (2,371) A:diamond: (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

River: (2,371) 5:club: (2 players)
MP2 bets 1,080, Hero folds


Villain seems bad, limps a lot of hands, calls a lot too and pretty agressive post flop. I think he has any pocket pairs, aces, kings, Q5+, J6+ here.
I don't know if the size of the c-bet was good, normally i would do 1/3, but as villain calls a lot, i tought making the bet bigger he would fold more.
This river bet i don't know what means, i have seen these kind of guys slowplay that Ace, and others bet with completely nothing.
Maybe i should just check/fold this guy and wait a better oportunity?
 
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No stats on villain?

I think pre-flop is fine, depending on how much of a calling station villain is. You would like him to fold.

The problem with c-betting the flop is that you have committed one-third of your starting stack with just King high.

I don't know if the size of the c-bet was good, normally i would do 1/3, but as villain calls a lot, i tought making the bet bigger he would fold more.

If he's a calling station, he'll call a 2/3 bet almost as often as he will call a 1/3 bet.

I'd just check the flop, and check or fold future streets unless my hand improved. We failed to get him to fold pre, we failed to connect with the flop, and if he calls the c-bet then I've invested a lot of chips in a hand where I have nothing.

As played:

I think the turn is fine.

On the river, you only beat a pure bluff.

You are getting about 3.5:1, so he needs to be bluffing 22% of the time for a call to be profitable. It's a difficult decision, because you've already invested a lot of chips, but if you call and lose your stack will be under 10BB. I'd fold.
 
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at that stake you trying to learn about players ?
honestly you don t even bother knowing the player with such buy in.
 
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at that stake you trying to learn about players ?
honestly you don t even bother knowing the player with such buy in.

It is not helpful to dismiss the thoughts of others, while offering nothing yourself.

How would you play the hand, and why?
 
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Poker Stars, $0.23 Buy-in (60/120 blinds, 15 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools by CardRunners - Hand Details

BB: 2,109 (17.6 bb)
MP1: 1,308 (10.9 bb)
MP2: 5,196 (43.3 bb)
MP3: 4,094 (34.1 bb)
CO: 1,799 (15 bb)
Hero (BTN): 2,993 (24.9 bb)
SB: 3,143 (26.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q K
MP1 folds, MP2 calls 120, 2 folds, Hero raises to 360, 2 folds, MP2 calls 240

Flop: (1,005) 8 7 4 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets 683, MP2 calls 683

Turn: (2,371) A (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

River: (2,371) 5 (2 players)
MP2 bets 1,080, Hero folds


Villain seems bad, limps a lot of hands, calls a lot too and pretty agressive post flop. I think he has any pocket pairs, aces, kings, Q5+, J6+ here.
I don't know if the size of the c-bet was good, normally i would do 1/3, but as villain calls a lot, i tought making the bet bigger he would fold more.
This river bet i don't know what means, i have seen these kind of guys slowplay that Ace, and others bet with completely nothing.
Maybe i should just check/fold this guy and wait a better oportunity?
There are no statistics on the player table, 7 players short, and the leader can afford to play wide, he's on the flop did not give raises, he could go with a suited 67 , 56 78 , as he is a leader and has 43бб he could play any hand, bet on the button, you could choose 250-280 a terrible flop , check / fold , well if you play on the turn should have bet after the opponent did a check, this in order that you know where you are ahead or behind bet 450 I think would be normal considering the fact that if OPP is bluffing then exit And it would be dropped, if not, it goes on the game is a definite check / fold the enemy also realized that the hands you empty so put river
 
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I swear i did put the stats, he has 40 VPIP, 3.5 PFR, 55 Flop Aggression with only 61 hands
 
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55 Flop Aggression with only 61 hands

I guess that's Flop AFq? While that stat can be useful, Total AFq gives you a better picture of how he plays generally, not just on the flop.

A player with a VPIP in the twenties is getting to the flop with a lot of good hands, so a Flop AFq of 55 is reasonable.

But with a VPIP of forty and a very low PFR, that Flop AFq means this player is getting aggressive on the flop with a lot of weak hands, often in multi-way pots. We can guess that he is probably the same way on the river.

I'd still check / fold post-flop unless my hand improved.

But as played, now I'd call the river.
 
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