$0.02 NLHE MTT Turbo: KK on bubble

kozong · Sep 11, 2016

PokerStars - $0.02+$0|1500/3000 Ante 600 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 19.34 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, hands: 1)
MP+2: 0.72 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 3.16 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BTN: 4.76 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
SB: 10.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
BB: 2.74 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG: 9.17 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
Hero (UTG+1): 6.21 BB
MP: 10.65 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

9 players post ante of 0.2 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 3.3 BB) Hero has K:club: K:diamond:

UTG raises to 8.97 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 6.01 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (15.31 BB, 2 players) T:spade: A:club: 6:spade:

Turn: (15.31 BB, 2 players) 5:spade:

River: (15.31 BB, 2 players) 4:spade:

54 players left - 50 paid, should we fold?

Hasanov · Sep 11, 2016

Hey mate. I'm new here so most probably there will be people who will answer to your question much more better than I will but nevertheless I would like to express myself.

First of all, I would like to underline the point that there are already 54 people left so HERO should have been a bit reserved even if he had KKs. The reason being is that 0.02 tournaments are 900+ people ones and getting to top 60 and bursting out in 54s place should hurt. So if I were in HERO's place I would have folded and tried to lay low until 50th place is guaranteed.

Second reason for folding is the chip count of UTG is greater than HERO's. I would have called with KK IF either MP+2 or BB would have gone all in, in all other cases fold until first 50 are determined.

naruto_miu · Sep 11, 2016

First and foremost It's a .02 tourney. Now that's out of the way, lets get back to the actual hand and look at different factors that we should actually be thinking about, like "It's a .02 tourney".

Those .02 games on Stars are a mine field and to make It that far Is an achievement on It's own. So congrats to you on that feat.

Now, you only have 3 hands with this player, so I can only guess you either got moved to this table, or he/she moved to that table, but either way, we got "KK", like I mean It's "KK", what more can I say and If I didn't already say It, I'll say It once more It's "KK".

Ok so 50 paid, and there's 54 left. So now we need to weigh pros and cons.

Pro, If we call, and double up we should be around 13-15bb's, which Is better than your current 6bb's correct?

The 2nd advantage to this Is that you also have a better shot at running deeper, which Is better over all because you don't than just get a "Min Cash" but more than that.

The other advantage Is that, you'll have actual chips and a nice shove/re-steal stack to apply pressure to players that are attempting to do similar vs players with the 15-30bb range.

The cons, you risk the chance of going broke on a sick run-out

You don't get any funds for finishing 51st. Thus you wasted your time.

If you weigh Just these pros and cons, you'll see that the pros are actually In the lead, and that's why I think this Is a call spot.

In the end, It comes down to "what you want", Are you just happy with a "Min Cash"? If so, tank/fold every hand to get It. If on the other hand you're not happy with It, than go for It, and hope they hold and/If when they have "AA" hope to catch

trent32la · Sep 11, 2016

Hit the call button as fast as you can.

Edson · Sep 12, 2016

Agree, with KK it is easy call

jjpregler · Sep 12, 2016

Min cashing is a failure!

Remember this for the rest of your poker career. Making any decision on the bubble hoping to make a min cash instead of allowing the math of situation dictate your decision is a failure mindset. Min cashing is a failure!

If you still want to think about folding a hand as strong as KK in this spot to squeak into the money, go back and re-read the first statement of my post.

kozong · Sep 15, 2016

thanks for all the input guys

naruto_miu said:
First and foremost It's a .02 tourney. Now that's out of the way, lets get back to the actual hand and look at different factors that we should actually be thinking about, like "It's a .02 tourney".

Those .02 games on Stars are a mine field and to make It that far Is an achievement on It's own. So congrats to you on that feat.

Now, you only have 3 hands with this player, so I can only guess you either got moved to this table, or he/she moved to that table, but either way, we got "KK", like I mean It's "KK", what more can I say and If I didn't already say It, I'll say It once more It's "KK".

Ok so 50 paid, and there's 54 left. So now we need to weigh pros and cons.

Pro, If we call, and double up we should be around 13-15bb's, which Is better than your current 6bb's correct?

The 2nd advantage to this Is that you also have a better shot at running deeper, which Is better over all because you don't than just get a "Min Cash" but more than that.

The other advantage Is that, you'll have actual chips and a nice shove/re-steal stack to apply pressure to players that are attempting to do similar vs players with the 15-30bb range.

The cons, you risk the chance of going broke on a sick run-out

You don't get any funds for finishing 51st. Thus you wasted your time.

If you weigh Just these pros and cons, you'll see that the pros are actually In the lead, and that's why I think this Is a call spot.

In the end, It comes down to "what you want", Are you just happy with a "Min Cash"? If so, tank/fold every hand to get It. If on the other hand you're not happy with It, than go for It, and hope they hold and/If when they have "AA" hope to catch

highly appreciated sir

Edson · Sep 16, 2016

jjpregler said:
Min cashing is a failure!

Remember this for the rest of your poker career. Making any decision on the bubble hoping to make a min cash instead of allowing the math of situation dictate your decision is a failure mindset. Min cashing is a failure!

If you still want to think about folding a hand as strong as KK in this spot to squeak into the money, go back and re-read the first statement of my post.

I can't agree with Your opinion. When You are very close to cash and You are shortstack You should play more tight to get mincash.
When You have bigger stack than opponents you should play aggresive and use Your stack to take blinds and scare shorter players.

Of course in that specyfic hand with KK it is easy shove

hzrd123 · Sep 16, 2016

did UTG had ace?!))!)!)? i just wondering
u did well, dude, at your position ill do the same

kozong · Sep 16, 2016

hzrd123 said:
did UTG had ace?!))!)!)? i just wondering
u did well, dude, at your position ill do the same

UTG shows A♦ 7♥ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 29%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows K♣ K♦ (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 71%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
UTG wins 15.31 BB

jjpregler · Sep 16, 2016

Edson said:
I can't agree with Your opinion. When You are very close to cash and You are shortstack You should play more tight to get mincash.
When You have bigger stack than opponents you should play aggresive and use Your stack to take blinds and scare shorter players.

Of course in that specyfic hand with KK it is easy shove

This does not nullify nor disprove my statement. I said you should always let the math of the situation dictate your decision. Being a short stack will change your ICM decisions to play tighter, especially if not the first into the pot. That adjustment is supported by the math. But even if you were the short stack, folding KK to slide into a min-cash is a mathematical error.

joe777 · Sep 16, 2016

Your main goal should be to win the tournament.

ribaric · Sep 16, 2016

I would deffinetly go all in with KK preflop cuz izs 0.02 and you only get 0.10c you have to play to get to final table to win more money at least 1.10$

lilu80 · Sep 18, 2016

Cmoon you have only M2 and his stack M3. Here correct his push is with range 20%. You can push his with example: 33+, A7s+, ATo+, K9s+, KQo, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s.

gatogl888 · Sep 21, 2016

You play a tournamente for win it... if you fold a legitimate hand like KK, that the objective will be more difficult to reach it..

Gabinho12345 · Sep 23, 2016

You should never fold KK preflop when you have 6BB.

antonis32123 · Oct 7, 2016

Like most of the others said , I think its a call position/spot . Altought it;s utg2 and some others have to paly after you , I don't think folding Kk is a good idea . Waiting to be paid just the 10 cents it's not good ,we're going for greater prizes . If it was a lower category hand we might do that , but not now. Many times I did it in the past and it cost me ,I folded a good hand during the bubble on this 0.02 MTT and show on the board that it was the winning one plus sometimes I didn't calculate the blinds corectly or the bubble lasted more than expected and the blinds run out finally so the attempts to stay alive for o.10 were wasted and I lost the good chances. So in these games the rule is one : stay aggressive all the time (and play some bingo as well

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alt888 · Oct 7, 2016

I would have been all in pre-flop, no matter any other action anyway.

shinedown.45 · Oct 7, 2016

We have had similar discussions about similar spots and it has been agreed on a number of occasions, the only time you could find it in yourself to fold is if the tourney is a satellite to a bigger game, where folding would possibly get you a ticket, but in this particular spot, calling his all-in was the correct move.

87shorts · Oct 8, 2016

I would insta-call that pre-flop. I'm not a fan of folding to the money, if he runs out and hits a better hand so be it but I'm firing my chips in fast with KK anyday with only 6bbs.

dimnik9 · Oct 19, 2016

call

you call right....pair get paid very often in heads up

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