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Now I'm really messed up as this keeps happening to me. Again could i have played the hand differently?

Anything besides a cooler?

Thanks again

100NL 6 MAX

Villain 37/15/1

Button ($202.77)
SB ($86)
BB ($115.49)
UTG ($23.48)
MP ($103.30)
Hero ($130.31)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6
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, 6
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1 fold, MP raises to $3, Hero calls $3, 1 fold, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($10) 9
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, 7
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, 6
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(3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $6, Hero raises to $19, SB folds, MP calls $13.

Turn: ($48) 7
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(2 players)
MP bets $23, Hero raises to $46, MP calls $23.

River: ($140) 8
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(2 players)
MP bets $25, Hero raises to $50, MP calls $103.30 (All-In).

Final Pot: $240

Results in white below:
MP has 7h 8s (full house, sevens full of eights).
Hero has 6h 6c (full house, sixes full of sevens).
Outcome: MP wins $240. Hero wins $78.30.
 
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Raise way more on the turn. This min-raise is ridiculous. If he has trips or a straight, he's not going to be able to lay his hand down. A pot sized raise is 94$, so I just shove the turn. This wouldn't help you in your current situation, you'd still get coolered. But it will help you get more value from draws who think they're still drawing live, trips that may not stack off when the 8 hits putting a 4 card straight on the board, ect.
 
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C9 says it all. MP lead the flop & called yur raise there, so 99/77 diminish as those would probably push/3bet large to make draws/2P pay. On the turn the only hand you need to worry about is 79 (since we've ruled out 99/77) and there is no way to shorten oppoenents range to just that. W/ MP's lead on the turn you need to give MP incorrect odds to play any further. So pot after MP's lead is $71 and you have $108 left. So any pot sized bet will leave you short so shove it all in here. If opponent called yur AI then they get lucky on the river to hit 4 outs, cooler, but you got tour $$ in w/ best hand and them drawing thin.
 
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I guess i was afraid to loose my customer

Maybe in case of him having and over playing an over pair and a gut shot like TT.

But as C9H said, i should have raised more on the turn for sure
 
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If you're afraid to lose your customer on the turn, that's one thing. I don't like the minraise particularly, but I could see an argument for just calling the turn, since you're no longer vulnerable to the straight.

However, the minraise on the river is the ugliest thing I've ever seen, and if you can learn this one principle properly, your net result will go up by quite a lot:

When the board hints at an obvious strong hand that you can beat, push.

Ok? THE ONLY SIZE OF THE BET THAT IS ALLOWED IS ALL-IN.

There's four to a straight on this board. Your opponent isn't folding any ten. However, he might not re-raise you with only a ten, so the only thing you achieve when you minraise the river is to make sure you win the minimum. He can have close to 0 hands that will call a river minraise but not a push.

The reason this particular leak gets me so riled up is because it's such a trivial leak to plug, and it's such an expensive leak to have. And pot size doesn't even factor in. I would have recommended you push this river even if the action so far had been checked around every street, and a river shove would have resulted in you betting $97 into a $5 pot.
 
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Do we not 3 bet this pf? I mean why are we calling? Setmining doesn't seem a particularly profitable tactic at 6max. Small PP's have a decent amount of value by themselves. Depending on villain, I 3bet this a fair amount of the time.
 
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I was wondering that also Jagsti but haven't played enough 6-max to know if 3-bets w/ small PPs is profitable.
 
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I "never" 3-bet small PPs preflop. I can't say that I think it's awful to do it; but I mostly figure that if stacks are deep, there's value in the combination of sets and being able to steal postflop. However, if I 3-bet, I'm often taking down the pot preflop, but those times have to be weighed vs. the times I get 4-bet and will have to fold.

The direct problem with getting 4-bet is that it's often going to be AK, and my equity is good vs. that hand. So I'm folding out a lot of equity those times. The secondary problem with getting 4-bet is that often when it's not AK, it's going to be a hand that I have awesome set mining odds versus, and I just priced myself out of the pot and fold.

Essentially, I feel that 3-betting small PPs is 3-betting light, because almost all flops are going to be threatening when we get called. And I mostly prefer to 3-bet light with hands where I don't give up so much in other spots. I haven't figured out a great range for 3-betting with yet, though, so take it with a grain of salt.
 
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I "never" 3-bet small PPs preflop.

I tend to agree. In addition to what Fredrick says, there's the problem that we are dealt just too many small PPs and if we start to 3bet light with them, it becomes quite obvious what we're doing.

I think suited connectors are a better choice for light 3bets. Less of them than PPs, and since we play them hard like big hands when we hit a combo draw on the flop, it's nice to play them similarly preflop.
 
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Do we not 3 bet this pf? I mean why are we calling? Setmining doesn't seem a particularly profitable tactic at 6max. Small PP's have a decent amount of value by themselves. Depending on villain, I 3bet this a fair amount of the time.

In position, I like flatting, especially because it's unlikely he's raising light here. If we were OOP, or facing a likely steal 3-betting becomes a much more viable option. The wider your opponents range, the less value small pairs hold after the flop due to how hard it is to get paid off when you hit.
 
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In position, I like flatting, especially because it's unlikely he's raising light here. If we were OOP, or facing a likely steal 3-betting becomes a much more viable option. The wider your opponents range, the less value small pairs hold after the flop due to how hard it is to get paid off when you hit.
I think I thought about this at some point, reached the same (above) conclusion, and then forgot about it. You're absolutely right.

In fact, against better players, I think folding 22-55 in the SB is probably the best play. I'm not sure I do it often (ever) but I probably should.
 
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However, the minraise on the river is the ugliest thing I've ever seen, and if you can learn this one principle properly, your net result will go up by quite a lot:

When the board hints at an obvious strong hand that you can beat, push.

Ok? THE ONLY SIZE OF THE BET THAT IS ALLOWED IS ALL-IN.

the river minraise was an all-in. i think the "MP calls $103.30 (All-In)" was a converter error, but it still shows that calling put him in since there was no re-raise and call. notice stacks and the bet sizes on each street
 
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the river minraise was an all-in. i think the "MP calls $103.30 (All-In)" was a converter error, but it still shows that calling put him in since there was no re-raise and call. notice stacks and the bet sizes on each street
Aha. In that case, I request to strike the part that the minraise was ugly, but I'd like to stick with my general point that - although not applicable in this case - people not pushing big hands on the river when there's an obvious second-best hand that will call, is a huge leak that's trivial to plug.
 
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