Would you like to give your opinion on this hand

Here's how it went:

I've got :Qc: :Qs: UTG and I open 3x, it gets folded to the fish (VPIP:79/PFR:19) in the BB and he calls my raise.

Flop comes:

Fish donks out for full pot (0,26€). His donk out stat was at 42% so I thought that I would be ahead to most of his range and I had the queen flush draw. Should I reraise here? Anyway, i decided to just call and hoped to get value from some of his Jx and some of his TcX, 78s, 78o, some straightdraws and a lot of bluffs since he did show some bluffs in the other hands of this session.

Turn comes:

When he donked out the flop I'm pretty sure he will never ever have a hand like Ax, really maybe AJ, but he might have reraised that preflop. He bets out again for full pot and I still think JX is the majority of his range there and I decide to call with the idea to call the river at most bricks and some other cards as well, since I put him on many draws and bluffs. This is doubtful though, so I would like to hear some analysis on this street as well.

River comes:

He bets full pot again. This time my feel said i should call and the size he made just gave me the feeling I should call this one. This time I was right he showed with and therefore i won the pot.

Would you guys give your opinion on this hand and tell me what to do better, because the hand was pretty awkward, especially the turn and river.

Here is the hand:
Begin Hand Number 5555504277 at 13:09:28 on table Candida - €4 Max
Table Type: Normal (Non-Tournament)
Game Name: Texas Holdem
Stakes: € 0.04 / € 0.08 real money
Active Players: 5
Total Pot: € 7.02
Rake: € 0.10
Win Amount: € 6.92

SenorMath: 4,00 €
MJS23: 5,41 €

stpetrov86 has the dealer button
Pia_16 posts small blind (€ 0.02)
MJS23 posts big blind (€ 0.04)
SenorMath raises for € 0.12
ZdzislawG folds
stpetrov86 folds
Pia_16 folds
MJS23 calls for € 0.08
Dealing Flop [6c Jc 9c]
MJS23 bets € 0.26
Senor Math calls for € 0.26
Dealing Turn A♠
MJS23 bets € 0.78
SenorMath calls for € 0.78
Dealing River [Td]
MJS23 bets € 2.34
SenorMath calls for € 2.34
MJS23 shows cards [10h 8d]
SenorMath shows cards [Qc Qs]

MathiCs shows One Pair, winning € 6.92

Wow, I probably couldn't have made that call-down with queens. If the other guy has the ace high flush draw semibluff, he got there. I'd have just reraised the fish on the flop and called it off when I know I've still got the best hand.

I think it's pretty very slim, by the river it comes down to whether he can triple-barrel bluff like this with air. The Ac would play it exactly the same way in the hands of a fish. KQ, K10 with the king of clubs might play it the same way as well. As well as KJ with the king of clubs.

So you lose to Acx, KcQ, AJ, and beat 108, Kc10, and KJ, Kc9, etc. I think made small flushes can be discounted by the river. I guess it's possible to play a flopped flush like that, to protect against higher clubs. No clubs came off the turn or river, so a flopped flush would be betting to get value and look to get value from overpairs or AK. It's a very unorthodox line for a flush to take, especially heads up where you could have nothing.

The last thing I'd have to consider is if he tends to take the showdown with a decent hand. I can see Acx betting the flop and turn strong, but checking the river and hoping he's good with top pair. Sometimes the timing tell factors in: he's OOP and has to decide whether to bet to prevent from being bluffed off his top pair weak kicker. That decision takes longer than making a desperation bluff with a busted draw.

I think it's pretty close. Great soul read in a huge pot.

You got nice value there but I wouldn't play it that way. He can have any peace of the board in that spot. Maybe one club, any pair or a straight draw. If you raise him on the flop he is probably calling you with all of his donk range and sometimes you will stack him on the flop if he has jx or Acx or maybe even this hand that he had.

Thank you for your analysis. Really helped me to get another view on this hand. Flop reraising would probably have been better since I would be ahead of his range most of the time there. The fish was really bluffy as he had shown in previous hands so he is definitely capable of bluffing 3 barrels with air. Indeed flushes weren't that likely anymore after that line.
I didn't know much about him getting value to showdown, I actually don't think I can conclude anything from him, since he probably didn't even knows what showdown value meant.

It's an easy spot. Playing against a donk as described, your only option is to ship on the flop as you really can't put your opponent on a hand here. If he has any kind of draw, you need to make him pay to see it. If he has top pair with no flush draw, he will probably call anyway, but if you flat call and the turn card is a club. Boom, no more action! as in the players mind you were calling for a club and now got there. Him only having one pair now isn't going pay you off. Many other scenarios can be explained with various different hands but final conclusion is that shipping the flop here is the best play you can make against this kind of player.

Agree with a raise on the flop. The main reason is that another club arriving will kill your action if he doesn't have a club.
You lost 1.43€ on this hand by only having a 50bb starting stack.

i did have a 100 BB starting stack, i had 4€ and BB was 0.04€. That fish had some luck in the previous hands and went to 135 BB

The replayer for some strange reason made a mistake in putting down the stakes, it should be 0.02 - 0.04

I couldn't have raised to 0.12 € preflop

I like the way you play and your thinking.

I personally would put him on Ax, and i would get scared when he gets there, i would also expect him to get all in with Ax. THe flopbet could possible just be a bluff or some kind of crazy valuebet from him.
I would fold to the turn so you obv play it better, i generally gets too scared when i see a A, which creates problems.
I would feel very happy about getting it in on the flop, i am not going to fold QQ here against a fish.

Its a bad run out for your hand but your almost certainly ahead on the flop, and for that reason I prefer a passive check/calling line to get value out of your opponents semi-bluffs. Furthermore, on a dry river you may be able to induce a spazzy shove if your prepared to make a somewhat light call under the assumption that the villain is just going nuts with a pair +club draw type hand all the time.


Karozi