Would you lay this down or call?

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In position, I PF raised 3xBB and got 1 caller.

I held Ah Qh

Flop comes 2c 7h Qd

I bet the pot after the flop and was reraised all in. Should I call or not? No reads.
 
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stack sizes?
ring or tournament?
what stage of the tournament?
more info! We can't make an analysis on a hand like this with this little info.
 
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Sorry, new at this.

It was at a micro ring game, both stacks were about $10.
 
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what were the blinds?
sorry to bug...it's just hard to give an opinion without info

if it was at a limit less then say .10/.25 then he'd be overbetting the pot considerably. This means that he'd either have a monster (set maybe) or that he's on a complete bluff.
Without any reads, it's hard to distinguish between the two.
Usually if I'm forced to make a tough decision with a player who i haven't got reads on yet, i'll lean more toward folding to be safe.
Though sometimes donks at the micros play top kicker like it's gold...so i'd also have to consider calling...
do you have a hand history? Posting a hand history also helps alot more than just "i have top pair top kicker and villain pushes all in - do i call?"
 
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Thanks for the reply, I started saving hand histories now so next time I'll have more complete info to post, (plus put the post in the right section *bonk*).

The moral of the story is that apparently I'm one of the donks that overvalues TPTK, I called and saw he hit a set.
 
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It's hard not to go broke with TPTK against a set on a flop like that. That's why I like limping in with small PPs. But yeah, I have been burned on hands like that before.. for sure. Unless you have a good read on your opponent it's pretty much a "let's be safe here" or "oh what the heck.. let's go for it".

I will say though that I have called in this situation before and been rewarded. But I also knew the guy liked to push all-in with weak hands.
 
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hey,

If I make TPTK I'll usually bet about the pot or more depending on the flop texture. If someone re-raises me all-in on a low buyin table they generally have trips. This has saved me some money but is difficult to do.
 
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hard to se the set cooming. Hmm hard decision, i dont know ur BR, but fo 10 dollar with top pair with a good kicker i would have called.
 
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Effexor said:
In position, I PF raised 3xBB and got 1 caller.

I held Ah Qh

Flop comes 2c 7h Qd

I bet the pot after the flop and was reraised all in. Should I call or not? No reads.

Let's see. You have top pair and the best kicker, not to mention a nut flush draw. The only thing I would worry about is if your opponent called your raise with pocket sevens or twos. I would still call.
 
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It's only a backdoor draw t1riel, so I wouldn't get to excited over it. But at thoose stakes I would probably make the call anyway. I constantly see people overrating TP no kicker, so I think there's a good chance you're in front.
 
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I would not have called this overbet knowing what your telling me. Although there are so many factors unsaid in this scenario? What is the table image like? Is this player stabbing at pots? Is he a loose cannon? Has been patiently waiting? Regardless, usually when playing low stakes, a large overbet such as this can often be a sign of a beginner player trying to extract a huge pot on a big hand, wanting to make money fast and not understanding pot odds. Yes, potentially this could be a stonecold heart throbbing bluff, but in my experience with low limit games like this, he probably hit his hand. You should not call in this situation. You will lose in the longterm.
 
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No reads on top pair, i'd be worried about the set. I'd fold in this case and wait for a better hand to make my move.
 
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I just go with my gut (which usually says, "Get some food")...

At this low limit, I don't think a call here is terrible. I have called these pushes many times...and folded other times.

You said there was no read here, so I would look for any information I can find. If he has a stack larger than the table buyin, I might fold just giving him the benefit of doubt that he is an okay player.

If he has a small stack, I will call. Small stacks will often push allin with top pair. I KNOW...many of you play with short stacks just to get these kind of calls. But my experience has been that I run into fewer of you then I do the shortstacked idiots.

At a higher limit, I say you fold and wait for a better hand. At lower limits, it is up to your spidey sense. BTW, recently I have been folding more of these than I call...on the other hand, my earnings have dropped significantly the past two weeks.
 
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