Would you fold pocket 10s to an All-in bet?

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Hero has 10 10 in SB position.

V1 is LAG and raises to $7
Hero calls.
V2 is TAG but on tilt. He goes all in. $150.

Hero folds his 10s b/c he's OOP.

Outcome doesn't matter but if curious, V2 showed pocket 3's.

Big mistake?
 
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I fold.

You said, hes a TAG.

Even a tilt player can show premiums.
 
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Hi Rick,

My opinion (I'm a TAG-ish player):
I don't think I can tell you if what you did was the right or the wrong play because poker, as you know, is so situational and relies on imperfect knowledge.

After the fact you know V2 has 3s, but at the time of your action, you have a raise (you didn't say from what position) and you call. A TAG goes all in (I'm assuming from the BB since you said you were in the SB). You don't say what your stack is, but I'll assume that if you had called, it would have been for your entire stack (and I'm assuming you had a full stack). You don't say if V1 folded to the all-in or called.

Even not knowing that info, I'd assume that V2 would more likely have a higher pair than 10s or two over cards. So either you're crushed or you are flipping. Why risk your entire stack on that? I would tend to fold as well, just because I want to get my stack in when I'm very confident that I'm way ahead.

On the other hand, if you were short-stacked, calling the all-in and getting a chance to double up would be worth the call.

Also, IMHO, the reason to call or not has nothing now to do with the position you are in because there would be no betting action after the flop (everyone is all in). The reason to call or not is based on where you think you stand in this hand, how well you know how the TAG behaves when he's "on tilt," and the effective stack sizes.
 
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We're calling off $150 into a $10 pot with pocket 10s. Not very attractive as it is.

Is this the same orbit as your other thread? From this you have some confusion in reads. You say V2 is TAG but with no player profile, where did this come from?
 
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I'd pretty much always fold TT pre-flop to all in raise even against super aggressive players (if I don't know for a fact that they go all in from time to time with any hand )
TT is good but I don't think it's a go all in before the flop good (I wouldn't try that with QQ either albeit I did in the past, it's so risky it's just not worth it )
 
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Hero has 10 10 in SB position.

V1 is LAG and raises to $7
Hero calls.
V2 is TAG but on tilt. He goes all in. $150.

Hero folds his 10s b/c he's OOP.

Outcome doesn't matter but if curious, V2 showed pocket 3's.

Big mistake?

The tilt was the thing that did it, If you didn't believe him, then you call. Still the odds are not attractive at all. Position is nullified if all others fold. Still I think you made the right decision, I was in position with QQ, against someone and I shoved, guy calls with 88 and flops a set from which I couldn't recover. That's poker for you.
 
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Looks like fold was the right move.
 
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It felt like a coin flip, so I decided not to gamble.
 
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Please do not create 2 identical threads. :)
 
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I ran PokerStove with 10s against Any B'way and any pair.
That is a reasonable range for the tilt shover.

Pocket 10s had 58% equity.
So, I guess I should have called.
 
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Not enough information to go on that. Wish I knew what cards came up on flop besides your flush draw. Also you say you called with 2 others, but need to know positions. Just the flush draw alone you are looking at roughly about 36% hitting your flush after the flop to improve your hand. That's also not taking into consideration if your A or J were still live to improve your hand. Which I mean hard to tell if they were still good. But if they were, now we are looking at a whopping rough 60% chance of improving our hand after flop to win it. You miss the turn. We are still loiking at about roughly 18% chance on the river to catch our flush. If A and J still good, roughly 30% to improve hand on river. Obviously, we are chasing the flush though if we chase not the A and J. Either way, I dont see me folding in flop, maybe on turn. Hard to tell though without all the information.
 
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JJ and AQ is my calling range against tilting players shoving.

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Any time a player is willing to put in stacks under these conditions my initial inclination is to fold. Want to know why? Human beings are creatures of habit. This player just showed a tendency that is highly exploitable. What does that mean? We'll have more opportunities later on to stack this guy. We don't really know what the All in means, and if you were to call and he showed QJ suited that would be incredibly annoying - win or lose.
 
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For me it depends on my stack and were I rank at the table or tourney a pair of 10's is a premium hand but a crazy desparate low stack would go all in with a pair of 2's so in the end it a crap shoot rather have an AA,JJ,QQ KK or AK.
 
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Its too big stack.
I also dont know why do you mention you are OOP. Position is not so strong with preflop all-in.

Anyway its not mistake. Even he is on tilt, he has something. You wound need super read on him (which is possible in live game), that with monster he would slowplay, while with weak pair he goes all-in.

But read is always something extra, if you dont have read, play your common game and that says fold.
 
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Against TAG with your level of pot involvement I would say fold it. Honestly a shove like that represents face cards/high pocket pair JJ/QQ at best. You will be dominated almost always here.
 
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I fold.

You said, hes a TAG.

Even a tilt player can show premiums.

nothing wrong wit a fold here bro, he;s a nit and gonna make some bluff moves here and there wit shit, 90% your running into premies QQ+
 
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I'm folding 10's in that spot all day. Most of the time you are going to be crushed or flipping. Its a strong hand but in my opining you made the right fold. I'm a pretty tight player so i would maybe even fold JJ in that spot. But that is me.
 
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I would fold that all day. You don't know he's praying on 3's and most other times he could have a banger.
 
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I will even fold JJ. Nice fold here.
 
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never overvalue the weaknees (or madness) of a tilt player, a lot of them take advantage of this image and then trap their villains showing monster hands so for me having pocket tens id have done the same as you and fold
 
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I'd fold too, could be coin flip or something like it.
 
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