Would you call this with Kings?

TheJace

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$25 NLHE 9-handed.
I'm in the BB with Ks Kh and $25. Theres 2 limpers and the SB calls when it gets to me and I raise to $1.25 then 2 players after me call but the SB folds, pot=$4.85. The flop comes Qc 8d 3h, we check around. The turn comes 8s and I bet $2.00 then UTG calls and the last player shoves $35.40. Would you call or fold here?

Me:
:ks4: :kh4:

Board:
:qc4: :8d4: :3h4: :8s4:

Any advice much appreciated.
 
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Why are you checking the flop? Now you have zero info on where you stand.

As played we probably have to fold unless you've seen villain make this play with hands you would beat here.
 
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Check flop means you gotta dump this.
 
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I was trying to check-raise on the flop because the player in last position is pretty aggressive, so much for that plan lol.
 
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Jace, in a lot of the HH's you've posted, you seriously underbet the pot in just about every street after the flop. Why are you doing this? You lose value and showing weakness means people will be more inclined to make moves at you (which puts you into difficult positions). Also people can easily draw against you for the right price. Maybe this is a tactic of you, but if not, it's probably a leak in your game.
 
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Ya I know you might be right a little about that but I only underbet like that for value when the board is 4 suited and theres not any obvious straight draw showing. Maybe It's a bad idea? But I don't think my hand is really vulnerable to being outdrawn on a board like this...? (Besides the second 8 coming...)
 
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Just lead the flop, man.

If you've got a maniac behind you, he'll raise with a queen and commit himself enough to have to call your 4-bet shove.

Your hand isn't vulnerable to getting outdrawn, but it's likely someone has a queen and we can build a nice-sized pot if we just lead.
 
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Lead flop; fold as played
 
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Good point Chuck, thanks for the tip.
 
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Raise a little more pre-flop ~€1.50-$1.75 with the limpers in the pot. Lead the flop for ~$3.50.

As played, gotta dump it, checking the flop here agaisnt one opponent is risky enough, against 2 or more your asking to get stacked. Fold.
 
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I did suck it up and fold here, figured I'd better get some more info on him first besides calling down some crazy shit like this. Later on I figured out he was super LAG though and called him down making a crazy move like this again and all he had was King high.
 
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Always bet this flop, without any info you'll have to fold here without reads that say otherwise.
 
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Yeah, you never really wanna check the flop with an over pair...because he could be holding J-8 or 8-Rag and thinks "Well, he doesn't have a pair, so I'll check too..."

Turns hit an eight..."Ohhh, I got him beat!"

But yeah, fold the turn, you're beat! :cool:
 
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