Would you call this?

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I have 22 in late position. Everyone folds I call then a raise to $2.50, more folds and I call. Flop comes 552 I check he checks, turn is 7c now theres 2 clubs on board. I check he checks again. River is 5c I check then he goes all-in for $30 into this $6 pot. Do you call this?
 
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Anyone have any advice on this one?
 
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I think you have to let this go on the river, but you messed up the hand before the river. You called 5x BB preflop with a small pocket pair. You flopped a FH, so I can see you wanting to check-raise on the flop. But why would you check this on the turn? If you pay 2,50 preflop, hoping to flop a set, on average you need to extract at the very least 8*2,50 = €20 when you do. With checking the flop and turn, you'll never extract enough, making your preflop call -EV. River is unlucky and it's very possible that you're behind, but that's also read dependent. But the main point is that you shouldn't set mine when you're unable to extract enough money when you hit.
 
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i would of rasied on after the flop , atleast half the pot ....if he called with you , you should of raised higher...
 
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I agree with Seneku, on the post flop check-raise, & or a sizable bet on the turn. After the river, I think you're behind in the hand now, & should probably fold. So, what happened? I'm curious about you're decision as well as the out come of the hand. Good luck in the future on hard calls such as this one.
 
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My line:
c/c flop, lead turn (shove to re-raise), if villain hasn't let go of his hand, c/f river.
 
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9 handed $50 NLHE
I have 22 in late position. Everyone folds I call then a raise to $2.50, more folds and I call. Flop comes 552 I check he checks, turn is 7c now theres 2 clubs on board. I check he checks again. River is 5c I check then he goes all-in for $30 into this $6 pot. Do you call this?


Excuse me. You have a full house. What do you mean do you call this? What are you waiting for? In a heartbeat you call it. And if he has a higher boat , then you reload and keep on playing.
 
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Let it go. Any pocket pair has our hand beat BBB.

Villain has played the hand passively which seems to be middle pockets more often than not at this level.

My line:
I somewhat agree with Vanquish. Although I lead both flop and turn for 1/2 pot+ and call a shove. Agreed that we should check/fold river if villain comes along for the ride and shows aggression.
 
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I called and he showed pocket tens for a higher full house.
 
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if thats the case and he had pocket 10s even with flopping the fullboat it wouldnt have mattered. you called a $2.50 raise then flop was 552 even if you woulda bet strong on flop no way hed put you on anything on that board at the best 2 overcards. you bet flop he woulda at minimum called and more then likely reraised you all in. TT with call preflop raise that board would look like gold. so in my opinion bet or check like you did, still wouldve been same outcome cuz he wasnt laying down pocket 1010s with 5 hi board.
 
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I think you need to let it go on the river, but play it more aggressively before the river.
 
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When you flop the nuts you want to build the pot up a bit. People usually call with high cards / middle pair thinking they have a good shot. If he has nothing he won't commit anyways.

The river card is so bad for you, turning your nuts into an underdog fullhouse. However, since he didn't bet out at all I suspect he does not have a pocket pair. It is better to fold when the pot is that small. But if the pot is $30 I am calling here.
 
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You really messed it up to begin with... but No, you can't call that on the river... Atleast you didn't lose much.......
He may have been bluffing, but for the pot size... it wasn't worth the call
 
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Couple things you did wrong.. always bet a set!! unless your heads up and there is already alot of money in the pot and someone might try and steal the pot. From what i hear in this situation is that you had the best hand. if he hit quads i gues you have to eat that 30 dollars. If he did have a 7 and it was a club that meant that he would have to bet it to get rid of the flush. so no 7. Higher pocket pair? did he raise preflop? He is unlikly to have any of these hands. I know the pot was little but why would he want to scare you out if he had an awesome hand? if you had quads would you go all in?
 
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