What did villain have?

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Dr_Dick

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Live play...1/2 NL. We both have stacks of roughly $500.

I have noted that villain will raise with AK and then check it down after missing the flop. He also raises with JJ and then pushes all-in after flop comes Jx9d8d.

I have 6d5d early position and raise to $7. Villain re-raises to $17. Everyone folds except small blind stays and I call...pot $53.

Flop comes 4d2c2s. SB checks, I lead out for $15. Villain calls, SB folds.

Turn comes 3c. I bet $35, villain thinks for a bit and calls.

River comes Tc. I bet $50. Villain thinks for quite a while, plays with his chips and then raises to $150.

I folded... but what did villain have? Would you have folded?
 
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There is no way I'm folding for $100 in a pot that is $350 with a well disguised straight, when the only thing I'm afraid of is a backdoor flush.
 
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I probably wouldve called here just because youre getting about 3.5:1 on your money. Without more information on the player, its hard to place him on a hand here, but if I was forced to guess I'd say he had an overpair. Possibly pkt 10s and made his boat, but again I think the benefits outweigh the risks and you make the call here even if you think youre behind.
 
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Sorry, but bet sizing is terrible.

Pot of 53 and you donk for 15? First off why are you leading this flop after flatting a 3-bet oop? Not saying it's horrible but you should be able to justify it. Curious on your logic.

But you should be betting 30-40 if you do bet this flop.

Then on turn pot is 83 and you bet 35. Not quite as bad but should probably be more like 50-60.

Then river pot is 153 and you lead for 50?

You're just betting super-small, villain seems like kind of an idiot from your reads, and there's no way I'm folding getting this kind of odds on my money after the way we played to this point. That said I expect him to show up with a boat/flush the majority of the time. But even if he shows up with it 75% of the time our call is still profitable.

But I still hate the small bets. We have deep stacks so should be betting big and putting pressure on our opponent.
 
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I agree with the previous post, you should have bet more (nearer pot size) on the flop. It would have made the hand easier to read. I have him on AA or AK clubs. KK, QQ, or for that matter TT, would have probably raised on the flop as well.
 
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Thanks for the responses everyone...good input.

Zachvac,

I don't disagree, in retrospect my line was not great but during the hand here was my thought process:

When villain re-raises pre-flop I put him on a big pair, with AK not being very likely, but not ruling it out. I call figuring I have decent odds with my 65s to crack his big pair, especially since SB called as well.

When the flop comes 422 I am really comfortable that villain did not reraise with a 2. My plan at that point was to make a small value bet with my 2 as I had villain folding anything but a big pair which I would then expect a raise. I didn't want to make a huge bet because I have basically nothing and there is villain and one other player in the pot. I was thinking villain is going to either fold or raise, but if he called my plan was to make a bigger bet on the turn to really represent the 2. In retrospect probably a really bad idea...but I'm just being honest that that was my thought process during the hand.

So now I get the miracle card, the 3 hits. My thought process changes...I'm golden. I have in my mind confirmed villain has a big pair but for some reason did not reraise me. I think villain has the big pair but was scared I might actually have the 2. No matter, I now have a nearly unbeatable hand so I don't want to overbet. That is why I did not bet a large amount on the turn. I didn't want villain to go anywhere. And when the club hit on the river I was once again not concerned. I was value betting the river.

So now villain goes into the tank. He plays with his chips. He thinks some more. When he raises it sends off alarms. I really had a tough time. I just couldn't put him on runner runner flush unless he had AKs and I was fairly confident given how I saw him play AK previously that he would have dumped the hand.

I was confused...didn't know what to make of it and finally decided I had played the hand poorly, had misread what he had and put him on AKs or TT. That is why I folded...

Villain shows QcJc. While I was happy I saved the $100, the hand just continued to eat at me....did I really play it that bad?
 
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Yea he's got to have at least some big clubs like AK suited or the QJ like he had or maybe the 10 10 that caught up on the river, either way great fold saving yourself the $100. I agree with Zach that a little bit more aggressive bet sizes probably could have won you this hand earlier than having to let it go on the river
 
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