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Cash game, holdem $1-3 NL
Hole cards AK s.
Position: 3 after BB
No callers before me
I raise to $25
Player before the button calls, but BB raises to $100
I call the raise, the player before button folds.
Rainbow flop Q J 10 (no spades) gives me a straight.
I check, BB goes all in with $500+. I enthusiastically call with my remaining approximately just under $200 thinking "this is so nice, I don't even have to slow play my hand!"
BB flips over his cards showing Q J off suite and no flush draw either.
Turn card Q. River J.
FML 😤
 
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Is 25 (8x+) standard in this game? I've seen games like that, but think you probably should be making it $15 at most as first in the pot.

I wouldn't just call the $100 with less than $200 back - get it in pre-flop and see 5 board cards with AK.

As played, bad result but good decision not to fold the nuts on the flop? :D
 
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Is 25 (8x+) standard in this game? I've seen games like that, but think you probably should be making it $15 at most as first in the pot.

I wouldn't just call the $100 with less than $200 back - get it in pre-flop and see 5 board cards with AK.

As played, bad result but good decision not to fold the nuts on the flop? :D

I went for $25 to get rid of some of the looser players at the table who were limping in. I just felt $10-$15 would not be enough of a deterrent. But at the same time I did want callers so that's why I didn't want to push all in.
 
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shove allin pre.

This was before I saw the result.

Reason why I say shove pre is because our hand is stronger preflop rather than postflop. And we don't have position here but we also could 4bet to $250 pre and shove all flops
 
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I'd say shove > fold > call are your options in that order.

Calling just seems bad out of position at your current SPR.
 
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Just a bad beat, i don't like the size that you use to open but after is just bad luck, you flop the nuts and he shoves with 2 pairs.If you shove preflop also might work here your hand had a lot of equity but i think i would play the hand like you.
 
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It Happens.

I liked, the 25 to get rid of the loose players while also building a flop, Still would have shoved ASAP or not at all. Sometimes you just can't do anything about it, Sorry bud!! :p
 
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enter all-in without thinking
 
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Well there are a host of hand features to take into consideration before you decide how to play the hand especially what do you know of him?
At the end of it, you got your money in very good with him drawing to 4 outs x 2 streets so you were an 84% favourite ,= well played simple bad beat.
And if he's that bad that he calls such a big raise preflop with a trouble hand, and oop then really it shouldn't be anything more than a temporary loan.:)
Aces2 touched on it but AK is primarily a preflop hand and if a lot of money is going into the pot you want to be the aggressor not the caller. So be the one betting last with fold equity.
Once you flat call and whiff, as you will 2/3 of the time you simply have ace high and no odds to call if he continues to bet, which here he will be nearly always.
You know it's essentially a flip against QQ JJ TT preflop right? but only if you see all 5 cards so shoving with the initiative and with fold equity is superior to flat calling here as you get to realise your full equity by seeing all 5 cards.
In this exact hand do you think he calls it off with QJ preflop? Not usually and you'd have picked up 30bb without evening seeing the flop a fine result.
As played I don't hate the call in position but you have 1/3rd of your money in the pot and will hit the flop 1/3rd of the time so roughly breakeven if you call it off on hitting the flop.
Surely there is more EV here from shoving preflop because of your fold equity but especially against such a bad player who is calling it off much wider.
 
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Thanks for everyone's great pointers and thoughts. What I had experienced from the opponent up to this hand, was that he was very aggressive (would almost always call low-mid raise to see a flop) and just a few hands earlier he had shown his bluff to a very tight player who had folded the best hand. I admit that I had also been generally playing a tight game so I felt like he thought he could force me to fold. It's now clear to me that raising pre-flop with my suited AK would have been the best choice. Now hopefully I can run into him again to collect on my "temporary loan" (great analogy Figaroo2)! 🙂
 
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Definitely go all in when he raises to $100. And if you had a weaker hand like AJ, I think you can fold after opponent re raises. I would only call with AA or KK. But even doing that would be a warning sign for a good player.
 
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yup...the initial bet pre flop seems a bit high...but a lower bet would have made no change to the outcome of the hand.

after the flop there was was nothing you could have done. Not a single player in the poker multiverse would have folded there.

oppo had 4 outs twice ....is about 9% i think...it sucks.
 
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I would have done exactly what you did, he had 2 pair on the flop you had a straight you were clearer ahead. The cards went in your opponents favour, you'll beat him next time ;)
 
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So with no information on table, its hard to say. $25 seems too high to open. When you get 3-bet big, your options imo ore 4-bet or fold, depending on your read on villain. I don't like the call. Hand played itself on the flop. Nothing you can do there.
 
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In these conditions i go with all in, cause if u going little by little, the opponent can check the turn, river and in the end win...
 
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