Originally Posted by KingCurtis
dont bet preflop in the BB with Q J off no argument
I think there would be an argument here that you are likely to be holding the best hand preflop in this case, regardless of whether it's only Q,Joff.
The player before the button has limped into an unraised pot, suggesting he's likely to have a weak/marginal holding, and making it less likely that he has an ace or king.
The player in the SB is getting 4:1 on their money to call, so they could have absolutely any two cards, again though if they were holding an ace or a king 3-handed you would probably expect to see some sort of raise.
So there's little chance of you being dominated by a hand (like AQ or AJ)considering the betting before you.. and there's every likelihood that your Queen high might be good at this stage.
A decent raise here would be likely to see the late position limper fold, and if the small blind calls then you still have position and you can c-bet to represent any A or K that hits the flop, or bet out any Q or J that comes out.
Why wouldn't you have a stab at trying to take the pot there? Probably not the sort of hand you would want to try to build a pot with, but I reckon there's a good case to raise strong and try to take it down preflop.
Deathwish is just unlucky the SB called with his pocket fours and then flopped a set at 7:1. If he hadn't of hit, a c-bet from Deathwish would have been very hard for the SB to call.