This is a discussion on Is verbal binding in turn??? within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; Tbere was 2 guys left in the pot in a PLO game and the first to act bet $300 and the 2nd guy calls!! The
Tbere was 2 guys left in the pot in a PLO game and the first to act bet $300 and the 2nd guy calls!! The first guy shows 2 pair aces and kings the 2nd player says beats me what is the ruling... Then the 2nd player says nope i have a straight who wins???
It's very difficult to know what happened from your description.
July 24th, 2020, 11:03 PM
Join Date: May 2019
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Verbal action should be binding but saying "beats me" is not an action. If he had said, "I fold" then that should be binding and player 1 should win. But he did not. So while it is rude, Player 2 with the straight still has a live hand and if he tables his hand without throwing it in the muck and he has a straight he indeed wins.
Things like "Raise", "Call", "Fold", "All in", are actions and should be binding unless they are out of turn (although enforcing them can be fun in some games). Saying things like "You're good", "Beats me", "I'll put you all in", are NOT actions and should be clarified before moving on.
July 25th, 2020, 4:11 AM
Join Date: Feb 2018
Online Poker at: ACR and BOL
re: Poker & Is verbal binding in turn???
According to a dealer friend of mine, verbal plays of action are always binding. Calling out you hand and it being wrong does not matter. The cards play unless they are thrown in the muck without showing them.
July 25th, 2020, 4:22 AM
Join Date: Apr 2013
Poker at: ACR
If a hand is tabled, the cards speak. If you misdeclare your hand, but show your cards, your cards will overrule anything you said.
Verbal "actions" in turn are binding. Actions are things like: check, bet, fold, call, and raise. Think about things which have a button you can click on when playing online. There's no button to tell the other player what your hand is.
There's some debate about whether or not folding is a valid action if you're not facing a bet. For example, if someone checks, then you may or may not be able to fold. Without action, you may be forced to at least check. If someone bets and you call at the river, you're past the point of being able to fold. You have already acted, by calling. You can choose to muck your hand, and throw it away without showing, but you can't fold.
From Robert's Rules of Poker (which are normally the standard for most rooms, unless house rules state otherwise)
2. Cards speak (cards read for themselves). The dealer assists in reading hands, but players are responsible for holding onto their cards until the winner is declared. Although verbal declarations as to the contents of a hand are not binding, deliberately miscalling a hand with the intent of causing another player to discard a winning hand is unethical and may result in forfeiture of the pot. (For more information on miscalling a hand see “Section 11 - Lowball,” Rule 15 and Rule 16.)