ugly hand here 25nl wtf to do???

So I am playing @ bodog and get AKo no reads on the guy at all but he is 100$ deep stacked and I am sitting at 50$. I will have to write it out since no converter for bodog

he bets big when he has a hand btw..other than that no reads


I am mid posistion and he is SB and one other stayed in utg+1




me = AKo
him =xx
utg+1 =??

I raise the blind up to 1$ and they both call
flop comes 8d 8c 4d
they both check, I bet 2$
utg+1 folds, he calls

turn is Ah
he checks, I bet 4$, he raises to 8$ I call.

river is 2d
he bets 26$

I donno wtf to do....he slowplay a set? flop a boat? AA? flush or just AQ and im being nervous b/c his stack. what the hell.

26$ is a whole stack, and you don't wanna be putting that kind of money in with just TPTK. Not to mention that his range has 8's in it. You can't call this river without a read.

i folded but later he told me he had AQ

but w/e I had no reads and a scary ass board...ffffffffffold!

deadhxc said:

i folded but later he told me he had AQ

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Yeah, you can't be results oriented. AQ, AK, AJ, 89, 44, and other hands are probably all in his range. And when a player shoves in a whole stack worth of money, you need to be pretty sure that you're at the top of your range. TPTK, ain't it.

true true

i wouldnt put him on 8 or a set of 4s..

i thinks he 'd bet out or raised the flop if he had an 8... also if flopped a FH is he gonna checkminraise u on the turn, which is no danger at all to him? wouldnt he just check call and then check-raise the river??

still i get why you folded.... boards just really dangerous

Agreed, your lay down was correct. You can't risk your stack with AK here. He's got you beat whatever his hand is.

Lefty

Full ring?

I think you can rule out him having the 8 or A/4. 8/8 is statistically unlikely, and he "shouldn't" be calling a middle-position raise with A/8 or A/4 in the SB.

That means a set of 4's is what's most likely to beat you here.

Since you say he bets when he has a hand, I assume he'd three-bet you pre-flop if he had A/A and he'd do more than check/call when he flopped a set of 4's. (Why check/call the flop and check/raise the turn unless the turn helped?)

I might actually make the TPTK call here. The check/raise on the turn tells me he really liked that Ace. If the Ace helped him, you have him beat or tied.

I wouldn't *happily* call, but I think you're going to win or tie more enough to make $ (or at least recoup most of your investment in the hand with a tie). I think I'd call here, and expect to tie the pot and come out a loser because of the rake.

Now, if the guy was a tight-wad, I'd happily fold.

i don't like betting the turn. I don't really want to go for 3 streets of value with TPTK, so i need to check one of the streets, and the turn is the ideal candidate for that when there's no obvious draw. Lets him bluff river with weaker hands.

One of the biggest aspects of my losing game when I started playing was calling bets like this with TPTK.

That's all I can say.

Easy fold ... i thing he has the best hand..

BelgoSuisse said:

i don't like betting the turn. I don't really want to go for 3 streets of value with TPTK, so i need to check one of the streets, and the turn is the ideal candidate for that when there's no obvious draw. Lets him bluff river with weaker hands.

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Full disclosure I don't play 25nl, but I think Belgo is right checking the turn has a lot more advantages (pot control, inducing bluffs) to a just TPTK hand than betting does, especially if you aren't willing to call a river shove.