Originally Posted by Tygran
Which is why you shouldn't raise to $18 if you are going to raise?
Even if we raise to $12, we're still getting like ~2.4:1 if he shoves.
We hate a shove, and he rarely has a hand that can pay off a raise. By flatting we lose the min to hands that have us beat, get max value from his bluffs, and avoid getting in a tough spot where we may end up folding the best hand if he goes crazy with something like AJ, or paying off the nuts.
Raising never folds out hands we beats, we only fold out bluffs, which we already have max value from. He rarely has a hand we beat that will call a raise, maybe the few aces in his range and the ocassional PP, though I don't ever see JJ-KK showing up in his flatting from the BB range. And we re-open the betting for him if he has the nuts.
Call, and it's not even close imo.