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Table is very tight. Villian is very LAG.


full tilt poker Game #2983300966: Table Idle (deep 6) - $0.15/$0.30 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:55:15 ET - 2007/07/18
Seat 1: BrickTicker ($78.75)
Seat 2: rebound77 ($43.60)
Seat 3: bubbasbestbabe ($30.45)
Seat 4: DontTreadOnMe ($109.50)
Seat 5: 8 table man ($19.10)
Seat 6: Lencanteur ($22.45)
rebound77 posts the small blind of $0.15
bubbasbestbabe posts the big blind of $0.30
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bubbasbestbabe [Ac Th]
DontTreadOnMe folds
8 table man folds
Lencanteur calls $0.30
BrickTicker folds
rebound77 calls $0.15
bubbasbestbabe raises to $1.20
Lencanteur calls $0.90
rebound77 folds
*** FLOP *** [3s Ts 5h]
bubbasbestbabe bets $2.70
Lencanteur raises to $10.80
bubbasbestbabe ?
 
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Hmmm....In that situation i wouldnt put him on 2 pair...I would put him on something like 10 J or 10 Q, maybe even the same hand as you. But if you said that table was tight, then he could possibly have hit a set. If it were me, i wouldve folded and just waited till a better hand.
 
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The overbet is very suspicious. I think this is a draw or outright bluff more than 50% of the time. Could be the spade draw maybe a combo draw As4s or something like that. A set should be betting for value (ie: no more than a pot sized bet).

With villains stack, I go ahead and put him in now.
 
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Well it all really depends on how the person plays there cards. Like me for example, if i hit a set on the flop and someone bets, i raise alot just because i dont feel like getting a bad beat or them sucking out on me. So like i said, its just how the player plays there cards.
 
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The overbet is very suspicious. I think this is a draw or outright bluff more than 50% of the time. Could be the spade draw maybe a combo draw As4s or something like that. A set should be betting for value (ie: no more than a pot sized bet).

With villains stack, I go ahead and put him in now.

I like this.

This flop doesn't look like it could have hit you, so he could very well be making a move with overcards if he's aggressive enough. He'll stack with any ten here, too.

So depending on how aggressive he really is (this is where PT stats come in handy), I'll probably stick him in here.

On a side note, what do you guys think about the risk of shoving vs calling? ie If we shove, we lose money because we push out bluffs, but we protect vs a draw. If we smooth call, we invite him to keep bluffing the turn, but give him a cheap(ish) turn card and a chance to outdraw us...
 
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I like this.

This flop doesn't look like it could have hit you, so he could very well be making a move with overcards if he's aggressive enough. He'll stack with any ten here, too.

So depending on how aggressive he really is (this is where PT stats come in handy), I'll probably stick him in here.

On a side note, what do you guys think about the risk of shoving vs calling? ie If we shove, we lose money because we push out bluffs, but we protect vs a draw. If we smooth call, we invite him to keep bluffing the turn, but give him a cheap(ish) turn card and a chance to outdraw us...

If im sure i have the gay beat, and there is a draw out there, hes going to have too pay alot to see the next 2 cards. I never let anyone see a cheap turn or river card. All about the shoving!!
 
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On a side note, what do you guys think about the risk of shoving vs calling? ie If we shove, we lose money because we push out bluffs, but we protect vs a draw. If we smooth call, we invite him to keep bluffing the turn, but give him a cheap(ish) turn card and a chance to outdraw us...

I don't like the smooth call because we still only have TPTK. We have decided that we are going to be playing for stacks and villain may already feel pot commited. No sense delaying the inevitable. I don't think villain would be any more inclined to call or fire a turn bet unless it helps him. And if it helps him we are probably beat.
 
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I like this.

This flop doesn't look like it could have hit you, so he could very well be making a move with overcards if he's aggressive enough. He'll stack with any ten here, too.

So depending on how aggressive he really is (this is where PT stats come in handy), I'll probably stick him in here.

On a side note, what do you guys think about the risk of shoving vs calling? ie If we shove, we lose money because we push out bluffs, but we protect vs a draw. If we smooth call, we invite him to keep bluffing the turn, but give him a cheap(ish) turn card and a chance to outdraw us...

This was my thoughts. He had made two plays very similar like this before. I don't have poker tracker so I had to rely on table notes. After this hand the table called the guy on his hand play and how he was busted as a Donk. Two hands later he left.

bubbasbestbabe calls $8.10
*** TURN *** [3s Ts 5h] [7d]
bubbasbestbabe bets $18.45, and is all in
Lencanteur calls $10.45, and is all in
bubbasbestbabe shows [Ac Th]
Lencanteur shows [5c Tc]
Uncalled bet of $8 returned to bubbasbestbabe
*** RIVER *** [3s Ts 5h 7d] [5d]
bubbasbestbabe shows two pair, Tens and Fives
Lencanteur shows a full house, Fives full of Tens
Lencanteur wins the pot ($42.95) with a full house, Fives full of Tens
BrickTicker: pf
 
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Oh wow, so i guess we were all wrong then. Thats the last thing i wouldve put him on was 2 pair.
 
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That's tiny part of his range, bbb. You played it fine.
 
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Yeah its not easy to put him on 2 pair but the keyword is that opponent is LAG (which is certainly true when you look at his hand considering he called a 4 BB raise with that crap), so by definition you can't exclude that any flop could help him. That said, it is hard to get away from this. Not impossible, but hard.

I agree with Tosborn that a set wouldn't do this, even if there is 4 to a flush on the board he'd still try to get value for it. So really, if you're going to give him credit for a hand 2 pair was the only possibility, because he has to bet it hard being that its bottom 2 with the chance of getting counterfeited on the next 2 streets or losing to a flush.

Of course hindsight is 20/20, and there are players that bet their draws strongly like that so the decision is very tough.
 
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I had no problem with my play really. The only part that I wasn't too sure about was the flop bet.
I put this name on my list of FTP fish. I made notes on him and I'll get my money back knowing how he plays.
 
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I had no problem with my play really. The only part that I wasn't too sure about was the flop bet.
I put this name on my list of FTP fish. I made notes on him and I'll get my money back knowing how he plays.


I don't think you should have a problem with the way you played it. Its easy to say "don't go broke on top pair" but at times its hard to do, especially on a flop like that. What really didn't help were the 2 spades, it makes it easy to think of a draw or combo draw. Had the flop been a rainbow there was a better chance to escape this.

If you play him again you'll certainly make it back BBB, I have no doubt.
 
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Haha, I think I've played with that villain in a sit 'n go before. He seemed like kind of a nutcase. I'm pretty sure he gets it in there with KT, QT, JT, T9, T8, etc. just unlucky
 
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Reviewing that hand, I think he's got you, BBB, on his donkey list......
Not that you played it wrong, but neither did he. He plays LAG, and apparently is comfortable with it, and no raise will bluff him out preflop short of all in.

Its just that he's more LAG than you...

You may want to seek him out, but I suggest you feel him out a bit more before you label him and he busts you big time again.
 
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Against LAG i call and check turn to let him hang himself. Def dont let turn against an aggro.
 
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