Top two pair, what now???

first hand at a new table. No reads. Loose call preflop, but i figured with that many callers id try to hit hard.

Money Type: real money
Blinds are now $0.25/$0.50
Button is at seat 1
Seat 1: 0307peche - $11.90
Seat 2: Lafaena - $50
Seat 3: tartarsauce - $41.26
Seat 4: Comanchero - $80.21
Seat 5: TrazaN - $85.95
Seat 6: closey86 - $27.65
Moving Button to seat 3
Comanchero posts small blind ($0.25)
TrazaN posts big blind ($0.50)
Lafaena posts $0.50
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Kd 4d] to Lafaena
closey86 calls $0.50
0307peche calls $0.50
Lafaena checks
tartarsauce raises to $2.50
Comanchero folds
TrazaN calls $2.50
closey86 calls $2.50
0307peche calls $2.50
Lafaena calls $2.50
Dealing Flop [3d 4s Kh]
TrazaN checks
closey86 bets $4
0307peche folds
Lafaena?

I don't like calling here. While the str8 draw is unlikely and there is no flush draw, I would still raise it up to $12 here. The $4 bet is under 30% of the pot and is giving everyone odds to play here, so your raise against a guy willing to throw money into the pot should be fine while taking away odds for the following player. The opening flop bet, I'm guessing, has something in the neighborhood of AK or KQ or a pair 99-QQ give or take. I think the K is more likely as his lead on a fairly uncoordinated board is probably this small not as a block but more sized to not scare someone off that has a piece of it.

Aftre thinking about it agree with raising. Anyways i get greedy.

Lafaena calls $4
tartarsauce calls $4
TrazaN folds
Dealing Turn [Qc]
closey86 checks
Lafaena checks
tartarsauce bets $10
closey86 calls $10
Lafaena?

Do push here? i cant fold and are pretty commited on the river unless the board pairs? what does tartar lead with??

I agree with Jack Daniels, you gotta raise it and raise it big. If he got a piece of that flop such as AK there is probably not gonna be a fold. You could be lucky and be cracking aces but that seems unlikely. I raise it big here. Just noticed a Queen comes on turn but I dont think I could give him kq or a set. I stick with it and see what happens.

Also, I dont like the call either PF. especially with the raise, king high flush draw is nice, but 4 kicker on a pair of kings gives you nothing but a hope for a flush draw or 2 pair or a set. Even though you hit, all those are very unlikely and not really enough to play the hand.

k4

forget the board pairs comment, was thinking i had k3 when i wrote it. My bad

a) Fold pre-flop. Don't post blinds out of position at a 6-max.
b) It's rarely a good idea to slow-play 2 pair on the flop. If it was a pot-sized bet I'd be happier with just calling, because you're committing stacks given the pot size and you disguise your hand. But to a small bet you have to bump it up with a pot-sized raise. That way you get value and give the original raiser the chance to push. Raise to something like $14-16.

Really, 2 pair on the flop is not strong enough to slow-play, especially when the kicker is low and can easily get counterfeited.

On the turn I'd reluctantly call and see what happens on the river.

Btw why are you checking this Turn? The whole idea of calling on the flop was to get the original raiser to raise, upon which you push. He didn't do this so you have to bet now.

Also, don't necessarily give your opponents credit for big hands. The weak lead is a tell for a weakish hand, like a mid pair, or top pair bad kicker. The raiser was quite likely making a position raise with a less than premium hand after seeing you post. Now he tries to take it away. So actually maybe pushing isn't so bad. But I'd just call here now you've got yourself into this mess.

This hand is a tough one but you really need to raise or push here, another call just gives anyone who stays in with a draw a chance to catch. Make them pay and make them pay a lot. This hand is just one of those hands you got yourself into and unfortunately cant get out of. Get your chips in with the best of it (which I think you have) and make the money you should hopefully make

Push

Im checking the turn cuz im afraid of a better hand primary qq/kq.

Lafaena raises to $40
tartarsauce folds
closey86 calls $21.15 (all-in)
Returning $18.85 to Lafaena uncalled
Lafaena shows [Kd 4d]
closey86 shows [Kc Ac]
Dealing River [8c]
Taking Rake of $3 from pot 1
Lafaena has Two Pairs: Kings, 4s
Lafaena wins $74.05 with: Two Pairs: Kings, 4s

Im pushing here because i thought that the turn lead from tartar looked pretty weak and when closey just calls i figured to have him beat. I dont wanna give away anymore freecard to tartar if i do have him beat either. and he can basically only push on the river with about 25 left, i feel like a have to call that anyways. Felt lucky to win this as closley had ak, one of the few hands i beat with this kinda action.What tartar had remains a mystery, but he got busted by jj with allin with some crap before the flop later so i guess he could have had anything(donkey).

What if the hand had been a4 of diamond, should i still have folded preflop

Lafaena said:

What if the hand had been a4 of diamond, should i still have folded preflop

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Yes. In fact, even if I get to watch a table before sitting down I don't post the BB just to play right away. I wait for the BB to come to me so that I a) can watch a couple more hands going on (and your at a 6-max table so waiting won't be very long) and b) am not simply throwing in extra cash into the pot when I have to make up for the rake to start with. The times I've posted the BB to play immediately (without actually being in the BB) could easily be counted on one hand. And if you play with the mentality that your blind money is money you have in the pot (which is incorrect logic) then playing mid position with a BB post is asking for trouble with mediocre hands (which K4 and A4 both are).