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full tilt poker Game #2997180232: Table Glendora - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Holdem - 19:02:42 ET - 2007/07/19
Seat 1: Goso ($10)
Seat 2: bgroses ($12), is sitting out
Seat 3: FlyHigh07 ($57.35)
Seat 4: RadjaDao ($50)
Seat 5: DwnnDirty ($90.10)
Seat 6: WeepingRiver ($20)
Seat 7: lesclaypool6 ($29.90)
Seat 8: SisterRuth ($9.50)
Seat 9: mendinhas ($9.25)
FlyHigh07 posts the small blind of $0.25
RadjaDao posts the big blind of $0.50
5 seconds left to act
WeepingRiver is sitting out
Time has expired
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lesclaypool6 [Jh Ad]
DwnnDirty folds
bgroses has returned
lesclaypool6 raises to $1.50
SisterRuth folds
mendinhas folds
Goso folds
FlyHigh07 raises to $5
RadjaDao folds
lesclaypool6 has 15 seconds left to act
lesclaypool6 calls $3.50
*** FLOP *** [Jd Ah Tc]
FlyHigh07 checks
lesclaypool6 bets $10
FlyHigh07 raises to $52.35, and is all in
 
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he has 1010 or AK

how did it end up?
 
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He has a PP.. but I don't think it's on the board.. KK or QQ maybe. Weird way to play a set.
 
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First off, dont sit shortstacked, always stay bought in for the max.

On the hand, Im guessing he has a set, but I cant see myself getting away from this hand. I cant think of anything else that would reraise preflop and then check shove a flop like this. Hmm, the more I think about it I think a fold is the right move, however it really depends on if u have any reads on villain. Is he TAG, LAG? If hes very tight I might let this one go, but it would be very hard.
 
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Stop calling re-raises with AJ, especially when the re-raise is out of the blinds when you've opened in a spot that doesn't look like a steal. Generally at 50NL the ranges that re-raise there are AK/AA/KK.

As played I fold that flop.
 
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wh00ps! I retract my earlier statement... didn't see the check shove lol only the shove....
 
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Yea, I think my real mistake was calling pre-flop.


Here's how the rest went:

lesclaypool6 calls $14.90, and is all in
FlyHigh07 shows [Ts Td]
lesclaypool6 shows [Jh Ad]
Uncalled bet of $27.45 returned to FlyHigh07
*** TURN *** [Jd Ah Tc] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [Jd Ah Tc 9c] [6s]
FlyHigh07 shows three of a kind, Tens
lesclaypool6 shows two pair, Aces and Jacks
FlyHigh07 wins the pot ($57.30) with three of a kind, Tens
lesclaypool6 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $60.30 | Rake $3
Board: [Jd Ah Tc 9c 6s]
Seat 1: Goso didnt bet (folded)
Seat 2: bgroses (button) is sitting out
Seat 3: FlyHigh07 (small blind) showed [Ts Td] and won ($57.30) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 4: RadjaDao (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: DwnnDirty didnt bet (folded)
Seat 6: WeepingRiver is sitting out
Seat 7: lesclaypool6 showed [Jh Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 8: SisterRuth didnt bet (folded)
Seat 9: mendinhas didnt bet (folded)
 
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Wouldnt have put him on a set, i would have put him on A K or KK. If i hit a set, then i would have done the same thing too just to get the draws out of the way.
 
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I think a set or flopped broadway was obvious.
 
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I think a set or flopped broadway was obvious.


It probably was obvious, but its a tough fold since he has ~$15 left and pot is $45. If you're going to put him a set or straight you can still make the fold cause 3 to 1 is not enough, you're about 16% to improve and the call puts you all-in so your implied odds are zero.

There is the fact that the board has draws, if not normally a set wouldn't do this, so one can suspect he does have it. With the flop being rainbow a straight would normally slowplay, even more so with the $10 bet. We have to admit that AK is also a strong candidate for this move, so all in all I don't believe the call is terrible, mostly because he's shortstacked. I think if he had a full buy-in its more questionable, it makes a big difference if its $35 to call. Reads would be important here too in helping you decide.
 
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Stop calling re-raises with AJ, especially when the re-raise is out of the blinds when you've opened in a spot that doesn't look like a steal. Generally at 50NL the ranges that re-raise there are AK/AA/KK.

As played I fold that flop.


I certainly agree with the PF fold after getting reraised with AJ, but you'd really fold this easily on the flop Schatz? I'd agree with you right away if he had a full buy-in and it was $35 to call, I'm just wondering since he has $15 left and pot is $45 maybe its not as simple. But if you'd really fold this w/o a blink I give you all the credit in the world, you're much more disciplined than me lol (although its not exactly that hard to be better than me).

I know that if you feel sure you're WB to a set or straight you're not priced in, so the fold makes sense. I'm just thinking that because of the chance it could be AK I'm pretty sure that I couldn't be able to get away from this with only $15 left, unless we have reads, such as you know this guy makes moves like this with big hands. If I had joined this table say 5 minutes before I know I wouldn't have the discipline to fold.

On the other hand if you fold PF you don't get into this mess to begin with.
 
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The flop play I think was reasonable. As what I have seen the level of play at 0.25/0.50 the player could have AK,KK,QQ,TT or even KQ. 2 of them hands beat you and from the range of hands people playing at that level are I would have to think about it. I might fold it on most occasions but I won't bashanyone for calling on the flop.

Obviously pre-flop is where evrything started to go wrong. But as the Flop play goes I can't blame ya too much
 
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1 minute after he posted i said he had 10 10 i deserve to win the pot >


SHIP IT
 
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I certainly agree with the PF fold after getting reraised with AJ, but you'd really fold this easily on the flop Schatz? I'd agree with you right away if he had a full buy-in and it was $35 to call, I'm just wondering since he has $15 left and pot is $45 maybe its not as simple. But if you'd really fold this w/o a blink I give you all the credit in the world, you're much more disciplined than me lol (although its not exactly that hard to be better than me).

I know that if you feel sure you're WB to a set or straight you're not priced in, so the fold makes sense. I'm just thinking that because of the chance it could be AK I'm pretty sure that I couldn't be able to get away from this with only $15 left, unless we have reads, such as you know this guy makes moves like this with big hands. If I had joined this table say 5 minutes before I know I wouldn't have the discipline to fold.

On the other hand if you fold PF you don't get into this mess to begin with.


I was thinking about this the other day and was actually going to start a thread about it. When do you call if the pot is offering good odds but the chances that you are beat are really high? The pot is laying good odds and you're pretty much comitted so a call isn't out of the question given you only have a bit behind.

Still though, I would easily fold this flop. He's raised out of the blinds preflop and then check-raised all-in on a fairly drawy board. I'd probably play this the same way if I were him, apart from the pre-flop re-raise. It just seems pretty obvious that you're beat.
 
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reload preflop

fold preflop, probably both times

obv call the all in. You have ****ing top 2 pair in a rr pot while short stacked
 
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(a). Okay, you saw two face cards and figured you could try to represent a really strong hand -- steal the blind -- if you do happen to get called then you have a somewhat decent hand to hit a flop like J-8-3, or A-J-10, I can understand that (personally, I fold)... but

(b). Fold when he raises. Unless this guy is a really bad, loose player (you haven't given any info on him) then how can you not think he has a hand like AK or a good - great pair?

(c). Call the all-in. Top two, remember, he could very well have AK.


Just my opinion.
 
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