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Sorry no hand history so had to type it out.


.02/.05 9 handed NL Hold Em on PS

Hero has 4.50 stack in SB - TAG (17/8)
Villian1 is CO with 10.75 - Extremely LAG (no stats but would put him at about 70/40 after 50 or so hands)
Villian2 is button with about 5.00 stack (bought in 5 hands ago with 10.00 and has called every hand down to the river with no folds or raises)


Hero is dealt 8h,8c.

Action folded to Villian1 CO who raises to .25
Villian2 Button calls.
Hero calls from SB.
BB folds.

Pot is now .80
Flop is 8d, 7h, 5d.

Hero bets .50
Villian1 raises to 1.00 (this a standard paly for him whether he hits or misses)
Villian2 calls.
Hero ???
 
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They are probably both on a draw, one the flush and the other the straight. The pot is now $3.30 and you've got 3.75 left in your stack. I would not flat call their raises. To give them the wrong odds to chase it down, your re-reaise needs to be at least the pot size, so you may as well push all in. Then you may take the pot right there, one may call or both to chase down their draws and you win a massive pot if they miss.
 
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Yea you really need to reraise to at least 3$ so i'd probably go all in. From the way they play + the stakes you are at i would guess that at least one will call you and you'll probably get a nice pay off.

I also wouldn't necessarily put them on a draw. V1 could probably have some shit like QTo and still play that way if he really is that loose. V2 sounds like he would call trying to hit a runner runner straight regardless of pot odds coz he is an idiot. If you flat call tho you are just greatly increasing the odds of a bad beat in the hope that you will get them both all in by the river. Wouldn't suprise me if they would both call your all in as it is.

And if after all that one of them did manage to draw out on you it really wouldn't matter as you still would have played it right.

If a maniac raises preflop with a 64 (so flops a straight) then does a minimal raise postflop when he does that every hand no matter what--there is nothing you can do about that. Get as much money in as you can...
 
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Dufferdevon is right, this is an easy all-in play. These people could have anything from 6-x, a couple of diamonds, to a pair. Villian 2's call seems like he's on the draw. Even if you are up against the improbable 6-9 or 4-6, you have two streets to fill up on. If you just call here, you give the turn a chance to scare you away. With your raise being another $3.50 or so, you will most likely be called down by both of these people looking to gamble, and you put yourself in great shape to triple up.

How did this hand actually play out? I'm guessing you pushed all in and were beat, and are wondering if you did anything wrong? ;)
 
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Even if one of the villain's has a straight, you've still got a 2:1 chance to make a full house by the river. If you shove all your chips in the pot, you'll be getting ~2:1 on your money. This is an EASY all in push every time.
 
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Even if one of the villain's has a straight, you've still got a 2:1 chance to make a full house by the river. If you shove all your chips in the pot, you'll be getting ~2:1 on your money. This is an EASY all in push every time.

I think it would be nearer 4:1 even with 2 cards to come. If not, this is a hold in my game :D
 
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Seems like the concensus is to push all in....

Which I did.

Both called.

Turn was Js and river was Qd...

When the river hit I had a feeling one of them had lucked into a flush. Sure enough, Villian 1 flipped over his Kd2d. Villian2 could have mucked but proudly showed his Q7 offsuit (??).


Thanks for the input...wasnt sure if I was overvaluing my set in this situation. I'm sure I would have gone all in on the turn if I hadn't already done it on the flop. I did end up winning it back plus interest a little later so it worked out. :)
 
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I think it would be nearer 4:1 even with 2 cards to come. If not, this is a hold in my game :D

You have 7 outs to make quads or a boat on the turn, and assuming you miss the turn you have 10 on the river.

Odds of one happening = 1 - (38/45)(34/44) = .347 > .333 = you're getting better than 2 to 1 to call.
 
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Ya i suspected you called all in and one of them lucked out...but like i said before that is irrelevant coz it was still the right call.

fyi, with the flop d like that you had about 71% chance, flush draw had about 25% or so and the Q7 was basically drawing dead. So everytime you should go all in in that situation. You had 7:3 odds and were getting about 4:1 on your money...ie. dream situation.

Think of it this way...if you put in 10$ in that situation OVER TIME you will make 7.1$ from that draw. It evens out in the end...
 
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