Originally Posted by Bentheman87
So what hand do you guys think he has? Flush would probably bet the turn right? Nut flush might check to trap I suppose. KQ would probably raise on the flop right? Definetly that hand would bet the turn. A set would not check on the turn, and two pair probably wouldn't either.
Result: I made the call, looking back it was a bad call really since he could have been easily value betting a stronger king and for some of the reasons others have said. His check on the turn is the main reason I called. Anyway he had 8 9 offsuit and I won the pot.
LOL, I think he thought he was making a value bet. Pretty bad play by him.
And I just realized I read that board wrong. I thought it came 3 spades and a 4th on the turn. Hence my comment about his one spade beating you.
I know I've seen the results but me now knowing the board this isn't such a horrible call. This is QQ/JJ a lot of the time. If you had position on that turn and he checked it, it could easily have been a flush, but I don't see flushes checking behind on the turn that often. This could easily have been a set though or higher K, the check on the turn being for pot control. When you check the river after his check on the turn you signal that you don't have the flush, as the flush would be afraid of him checking behind again on the river and not getting value. So this actually looks a lot like AK/set much of the time.
I still think it's a fold, but not such a clear-cut horrible call as I first thought when I thought there were 4 spades out there. I think you see a lot of AK/2-pair/sets take this line on the flop, but you'd think AK would have raised preflop along with KK so we're really only afraid of 88/33 or 2-pair. I still don't understand this bet as with this action he had decent showdown value and the only better hand he's getting to fold is basically your hand right here. Horrible play by villain, decent play by you, and good result for you.