Throwing Down Pocket Kings Preflop

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I just won 3.02 in the Lucky Penny Tournament today, my biggest win! And of course I'm really excited so I go on to play at the tables. Soon enough I triple up and have 10 dollars. I get pocket kings soon after. I raise, I am re-raised all-in. I instantly called. Would anyone here actually fold pocket kings. I've seen it been done on T.V. because the guy surmised that his opponent had the aces, but would anyone really fold. I was playing very well, so I'm not too disappointed in myself...but the other guy had QQ and of course a Q comes on the flop and I'm done for all the money I took so long to earn gone.

If I have any advice it is to...as soon as you get lets say double or triple the table minimum, leave the table and go somewhere else and buy back in for the table minimum there, because you are going to get those Ks and they are goign to get those Qs and hit, and you're going to be pissed when you risked $10 instead of $2. Ha play it safe, unlike me!

But seriously, would anyone here have debated throwing down the kings at this point? (Blinds. .5/.10, I raise to .70, he raises all-in $10.)
 
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If it were in a tournament, and it was nearing the bubble and I was shortstacked or whatever, then I may fold KK preflop but that's a very big MAY!

If it's a cash game, then I don't think I could ever find a fold pf.
 
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no i wouldnt tht big a raise says jj or below an he doesnt want u to play anymore so good call bad luck etc
 
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Yeah it was good call. you had the best cards just bad luck.
 
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I dunno, it's hard to say. I'd be very skeptical about tossing pocket kings. Specially pre-flop. I'd at least wait to see the flop. If they go all in pre-flop, and you have a choice to call or not. I would, the chances that they caught Aces are really low. The odds are in your favor, mind you who knows what kind of luck you'll get with the rest of the cards. But, to throw away pocket kings, would be something silly to do, imho.
 
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I think there are VERY few times your ever gonna fold KK and your situation is a definate NO odds are pretty slim that hes holding AA and if he was he might take a line of rerasing you min + but not shoving so I think I would I mean I know I would snap call
 
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I think your only mistake was taking $3 to the .05/.10 tables. The chances of you turning that into a large bankroll, even if you played very well, were very low.

I probably would have bought in short at the .01/.02 tables, and if I won a big pot, I'd bail. Rinse, repeat, until I had enough to play real poker. (ie, full buy-in)
 
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When you're deep stacked against a nit, it's possible. I almost folded them one time against an 8/8 total nit. We 4 bet preflop and he pushed over me for 155 more bb's. I was going to fold but I wanted to gamble.

He had aces, I hit a set.
 
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PokerVic said:
I think your only mistake was taking $3 to the .05/.10 tables. The chances of you turning that into a large bankroll, even if you played very well, were very low.

I probably would have bought in short at the .01/.02 tables, and if I won a big pot, I'd bail. Rinse, repeat, until I had enough to play real poker. (ie, full buy-in)
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Well those are the smallest tables at Full tilt. That's the thing. I got up to 10$...and then I got the kings. I think I can work the small tables until I get enough money to go to the next. Just got to get the min 2 bucks back. Really the people who play at those tables aren't very smart. They are calling $.75 raises with ace high after the turn. I'm a very conservative player. I wait for the hand.
 
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For real, I can't see someone folding kk in a ring game in these limits, but if I were you I would play some sit'n'go with the money, after I triple up in the table I would alredy go to the Sit'n'go
 
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You made the right thing, i wouldn't fold. You were way ahead before the flop, well you got beat, that's poker, but at least you did the right thing
 
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When you're seeing people lay down kings before the flop on TV, it's likely only for a few very specific reasons. Either:

1 - It's the bubble of a major tournament (don't recall ever actually seeing that happen, but it's possible I guess), or

2 - The player is Phil Gordon, and the opponent has four-bet shoved. Phil will likely make some comment along the lines of "Well, the fourth raise means aces" and muck his hand.

The situation in the OP being neither of those... we get our stack in.
 
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OzExorcist said:
2 - The player is Phil Gordon, and the opponent has four-bet shoved. Phil will likely make some comment along the lines of "Well, the fourth raise means aces" and muck his hand.
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I wonder if a lot of people now 4bet shove bluff against him since he wrote this in his book. Could end up costing him a lot or making him up lot of $$$ depending on how he adjusts. :D
 
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the other player could have just as easily had QQ. one thing that all poker players do is play the shit out of AA KK QQ before the flop. i look at how long it takes other players to fold theyer hands to get some idea of who had high cards. the crap gets folded pretty quick to a raise but a J10 or better will get just a little more thought before the fold or call. and yes i have folded AA KK QQ before the flop but only because of the number of people who were all in or playing real loose before it was my turn to act. and i have folded the best hand a time or two but i survived to see my next hand. and ive been busted for not folding.

also i find that if i win cash in a turny it is a good plan to stay away from the tables for a while. internet play is funny about giving up a win and taking it back plus some. its not proven and sounds bad. and you can say bad playing caused it. i think it has something to do with the random number genorator. so i always log out and turn off my computer after a big turny win. just to keep it random.
 
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BelgoSuisse said:
I wonder if a lot of people now 4bet shove bluff against him since he wrote this in his book. Could end up costing him a lot or making him up lot of $$$ depending on how he adjusts. :D
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LOL - hadn't thought of that. Reckon they'll need to print a new edition in a couple of years time saying "The fifth raise means aces"? :p
 
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Good call, bad luck. At this level any time you have AA,KK you have to get your money in, people here will shove with anything and you will win more then you lose.
 
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Only in a tourney have I folded a high pair before the flop, just cause (as cexandmoney stated) there were a bunch of loose players all in before the flop, but I dont think I could have folded in a cash game. Just as your kings were beat by queens, your kings could beat aces. So definately a good call. I'm not certain on the odds but I would have to think that you'll win more times than lose. Better luck next time.
 
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I would definitely call, but then again, I am the guy who always looses with pocket Aces...lol So with that said, maybe you shouldn't listen to me...lol But seriously, its jsut bad luck, and I totally agree with you on leaving the table when you get up, then coming back with the minimum buy in.
 
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In my opinion...as long as the you have 1 person isolated...AA or KK should NEVER be folded preflop

with KK the odds of you having the best hand is just TOO great for you to fold...the best strategy for poker is to play the odds, you might lose, but your odds are good that you will win... you lose it, its one hand..there will be other tourneys , and other hands to play....

now if there is like 3 people all in..or even 2 others all in before you, you might want to muck , theres alot of other possibilities out there in this situation..even if you have the best starting hand
 
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i agree with pokervic here beside playing smart poker you have to manage your bank roll as well
 
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bwrobbel said:
I just won 3.02 in the Lucky Penny Tournament today, my biggest win! And of course I'm really excited so I go on to play at the tables. Soon enough I triple up and have 10 dollars. I get pocket kings soon after. I raise, I am re-raised all-in. I instantly called. Would anyone here actually fold pocket kings. I've seen it been done on T.V. because the guy surmised that his opponent had the aces, but would anyone really fold. I was playing very well, so I'm not too disappointed in myself...but the other guy had QQ and of course a Q comes on the flop and I'm done for all the money I took so long to earn gone.

If I have any advice it is to...as soon as you get lets say double or triple the table minimum, leave the table and go somewhere else and buy back in for the table minimum there, because you are going to get those Ks and they are goign to get those Qs and hit, and you're going to be pissed when you risked $10 instead of $2. Ha play it safe, unlike me!

But seriously, would anyone here have debated throwing down the kings at this point? (Blinds. .5/.10, I raise to .70, he raises all-in $10.)
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This is why I never take my whole bankroll to a table. Taking about five of the ten since it is a very small bankroll would not have hurt a thing and with a small bankroll like this you don't risk loosing all your money but you can still make a 50% or greater bankroll increase with just one hand. I would never take all of my money to a table with anything larger than $10.
 
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