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1/2 NL live 9 plyrs. standard raise is between $7-$15 for non-straddled hand.


#1. Effective stack of about $200 (me) I in BB has 56cc. V is utg+1 raises to $10, 3 other callers before me. I call. Pot $51
Flop 2 3 10 rb. I check, V bets $15, folded around to me. I thought it was a weak bet into a $50 pot so I thought V could have AQ or AK type of hand. That and his post flop play seemed pretty passive. I float the $15 with intent to bet/fold on turn. pot $81
Turn is J. I lead for $25. V flats. pot $131.
River 4!!! Bink, somebody loves me. I lead for $60 V snap calls. (AA) I scoop $250.

My question is knowing what V had, I'm not sure if he would have called off for my remaining $150. Could I have still got it in on the river after my lead on the turn? I think a river push may scare most V's after I lead turn. Doesn't that just scream at min. 2 pair? I'm sure I missed some value with river bet, but how much more could I have gone before I should just push?


Hand #2. Effective stack of about $275 (V) $6 straddle. I'm in SB with K10 hh. UTG +2 raises to $22 (standard) one caller in CO. I call. (this is the rock bottom of my range here). I'd toss this if it was folded to me, but CO was uber easy to read so I was ok with seeing flop. V was agro enough to bet with air, but not totally stupid as far as I could tell. Pot $68
Flop 10 6 2 rb. I checked, fully expecting a c bet by V. as I expected, V. c bet ($60) and CO folded. The bet size caught me a little off guard, I was expecting $40-$50, so I had him on JJ's+ and AK. Not much more than that. I pretty much discounted 10's cause of the pot sized bet. I was leaning toward JJ or QQ or AK for some reason. (gut feeling) I decided to call and fold any turn card but 10 or K. pot $188
Turn was K, Bingo!! I open pushed all in and V. actually pushed his stack in before I could get mine in. I first thought, oh sh-t he's got kk. Nope he turns AA. Then I puke as the dealer turns over a river 2 to crush my night. Instead of leaving with almost $600, I go home with $20.
Now, I'm not too upset about how this hand went, cause I got it in good. I guess this one is more of a vent than anything. I talked about it with a friend and a another guy there and both said sh-tty beat, you played it good.
 
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1st Hand: Pre flop and flop are fine. On the turn I'm Not sure if you were trying a blocking bet or a weak bluff. I would be inclined to bet more if the bet was intended as a bluff. River bet was to small. You had to beat long odds to make that straight; get paid for it.

2nd hand: pre flop call was kind of loose for effective stack sizes, but not really bad. Flop check / call - if you thought you were beat was bad. Maybe lead/ fold would be better. Trying to hit 5 outs on the turn without a BIG pay off is pretty spewey. (in late opposition I think call would be good because you could bet into weakness on the turn) As played the turn shove was reasonable and your opponent did get lucky to redraw.
 
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1st hand, a river push looks like a bluff to me and might be called my worse.

The 2nd hand just OK. Were you looking for a fold? A call from AK? Not that many bad hands that will call. As the cards lay you were coolered going to be for sure, but I think the turn shove was bad.
 
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I would have to say that the way the hands played out in the first hand you could have gotten paid off if you pushed a higher amount. Although he just flatted on turn bet, so who knows why he was slow playing, I think you did the best you could have since you won money.
The second hand I mean in a previous thread it is talked about getting involved in hands you could get away from and getting into trouble with, this is a perfect example. I mean yes I like the play because you are here to make money, but I think you could have picked a better spot. Yes you got it in good, but you were behind until the turn, not usually a winning recipe. IMO
 
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I would have to say that the way the hands played out in the first hand you could have gotten paid off if you pushed a higher amount. Although he just flatted on turn bet, so who knows why he was slow playing, I think you did the best you could have since you won money.
The second hand I mean in a previous thread it is talked about getting involved in hands you could get away from and getting into trouble with, this is a perfect example. I mean yes I like the play because you are here to make money, but I think you could have picked a better spot. Yes you got it in good, but you were behind until the turn, not usually a winning recipe. IMO

I see what you're saying. If I had any history with the dude and knew that he pot bets with big overpairs on the flop, then I could have easily laid it down. I only have about 10 hrs against around 12 players built up at this place. So i guess I just need more history with players.
Thanks for the comments all.
 
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Hand #1 I don't think any reasonable player would have paid you off with an all-in bet especially since the pot was multi-way.

Hand #2 Bad beat. I do think calling UTG 11bb raise from SB with KT is likely a long-term leak.
 
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