Test your Small Stakes No Limit Hold 'Em Part 3

What is hero's best play?

  • Check, planning a check/raise

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Bet $12

    Votes: 11 34.4%
  • Bet $21

    Votes: 20 62.5%
  • Push all in

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Total voters
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dbitel

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SB ($77)
Hero ($190)
MP1 ($164)
MP2 ($11)
CO ($240)
Button ($38)


Preflop: Hero is BB with T
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T
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. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
3 folds, MP1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: :ac4: :10d4: :4c4: ($6, 6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, MP1 and CO call, all else fold.


Turn: :7s4: ($24, 3 players)
Hero.....?
 
t1riel

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Take it down right here with a bet of $21. Players stupid enough to chase a flush with a $6 bet wouldn't be stupid to call $21, even if they did have K, rag of clubs.
 
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Bet $12...you probably still have the best hand and are either up against an Acve in each hand or flush draws. Either way I would want both to stay in the pot and think I have a good but not great hand. odds are the river will not produce a club and you still are not pot commited if it does hit.
 
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Bet 21$ here, take away his odds to draw
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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Lead for half the pot ($12).

At least one of the two others still left is likely to have a weak-moderate Ace and want to get to a cheap showdown, and the other likely holding is a draw that won't be averse to taking a free card. So going for the check-raise seems pretty ridiculous to me here.

$12 seems the best balance between not giving my opponent(s) odds to draw to a hand that beats me while still keeping them in the pot (whether they are drawing or have Ax).
 
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bet here (I vote for $12), because you've already lead out on the flop, and that 7s can't help anyone beat you. If you check hoping for a raise, all you're likely to acheive is a check-around and a free card for your opponents. A lot of players may interpret a bet here as a 2nd shot with a lonely Ace, so no point in slowplaying.
 
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I think I prefer a bet of like $16. Not in love with $12 or $21. We're out of position, so things could get awkward if we encourage draws to hang around, but we want to continue to build a pot with made hands that are drawing dead against us.

I guess I'll vote for... uhh... uhh... eh, $21. If we bet $12 and CO has a flush draw, we're giving them a better chance to not make a mistake. There's a good chance MP will call the $12 bet with A-whatever, which is fine, and what we want, since they're probably drawing dead against us. But now CO would be getting better odds to look for their flush draw. When you factor in their implied odds, I think they'd be fine to call, especially if they have 89c, 65c, KJc, QJc, or KJc.
 
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$12 gives flush draws the implied odds they need to call. If CO has the draw and MP1 calls the 12 CO definately has the odds to call with a flush draw.

There is another possiblility here. If you check, and not worry about if one of them bets or not. If you check it looks like you took a stab at the pot got called and now you are scared to pull the trigger twice. It shows weakness when you are strong, This is different than slow playing on the flop because now you have less players to worry about drawing out and with only one card to come the odds are more in your favor that a draw card will hit. If everyone checks after the turn, and you then bet the river, it looks like you are stealing again and you will get called by marginal hands and maybe reraised.

It's a possibility, and one I might try here although it would probably better to bet out. If there is a flush draw and a club doesn't come you won't get any money from him on the river that you might on the turn.

So overall with this situation I bet $21. If a flush draw calls that's ok because you are not giving him proper odds. You also don't want to chase away any aces here which a push will do unless he has 2 pair.
 
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I'd go with $21...anyone dumb enough to still be there with KcJc needs to pay...his str8 draw is STILL alive but doesn't help much on the odds...if our hero is against AQ or AJ..any outside str8 draw is now gone
 
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I'd go with a $21 bet. Basically you want to make sure that all flush draws are chased and hopefully someone with A,K A,Q ... or even A,10 A,7 or A,4 will hang around.
 
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Take away flush draws still!!

If the two who called are calling on flush draws, they made a mistake.

So Hero should keep making it a mistake for them to call.

A $12 bet is too low because now that the pot is $24, his bet makes it $36, it is only $12 for someone to call and with the implied odds of everyone calling the ratio will be 5:1 for flush draws, the right odds to call a $12 bet. So if the first call on a flush draw was incorrect, this 2nd call would be correct.

A $21 bet reduces the odds and therefore makes it wrong to continue calling.

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I am going with $12 here because I want a caller.
 
F Paulsson

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I'm a lot more concerned with getting people to call than I am with getting people to fold. If we know that one of them has an ace and will call $12 but not $21, and that the other one has specifically a flush draw, AND that we're somehow unable to bet the river so whatever happens no one will put any money in on the river at all, the immediate EV of a $12 bet vs. a $21 bet is this:

$12: 4 times out of five, we will win $48.
1 time out of five, we will lose $12. expected value: 0.8*48 + 0.2*(-12) = $38.4 - $2.4 = $36

$21: Every time, we will win $24. EV = $24.

Of course, there's more to this.

1. We can't be sure that A-3 folds to a $21 bet AND calls a $12 bet.
2. We can't be sure that a flushdraw folds to a $21 bet.
3. If a third club hits the river, we are likely to pay off some amount, even if it's hard to say how much.
4. We don't actually know that these are the hands that they have.

Still, the overall point still stands: I'm more concerned with getting value from the guy without a flush draw (presuming that at least one of them is NOT on a flushdraw) than worrying about the 20% risk of losing to a flush.
 
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I would bet the $21. You can almost assume one of them left has an A. And most likely both have one. If someone is chasing the flush draw,( I've seen most players unless they are really knowlegeble), will still chase it even if the bet is that. Get the most for your cards.
 
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Voted for 12 but I might make it a bit more than that, somewhere in between 12 and 21.
 
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What to bet in no limit is about making the other person make a mistake. It would not be a mistake for a flush draw to call 12 but it would be to call 21. If we want the flush draw to keep playing we want him to do it while makeing a mistake, not making the correct decision based on pot odds. Raise 21.
 
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I totally agree with Bubbasbestbabe's way of thinking. "I would bet the $21. You can almost assume one of them left has an A. And most likely both have one. If someone is chasing the flush draw,( I've seen most players unless they are really knowlegeble), will still chase it even if the bet is that. Get the most for your cards." So I'll just copy and paste and I'd be doing the 21 thing.
 
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What to bet in no limit is about making the other person make a mistake. It would not be a mistake for a flush draw to call 12 but it would be to call 21. If we want the flush draw to keep playing we want him to do it while makeing a mistake, not making the correct decision based on pot odds. Raise 21.
Now what about your other opponent? You bet 21 get a caller and he realizes that someone must have his A-6 beat so he lays it down. What mistake did he make?
 
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I made a long reply to Paulson but my comp frooze and I lost it and now I don't have the energy.
 
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