T9 flops OESD against 33/17 10NL

villain is a 33/17 over 117 hands.

Seat 1: theduck ($9.85 in chips)
Seat 2: villain ($16.69 in chips)
Seat 3: surfer8229 ($7.48 in chips)
Seat 4: kommpa ($11.75 in chips)
Seat 5: pOckets_pOwa ($14.27 in chips)
Danb23Rock: posts small blind $0.05
surfer8229: posts big blind $0.10

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to kommpa [9s Ts]
kommpa: raises $0.20 to $0.30
pOckets_pOwa: folds
Fabfueb: folds
villain: calls $0.25
surfer8229: folds

*** FLOP *** [8d 6h Js]

villain: bets $0.30
kommpa: raises $0.70 to $1
villain: calls $0.70
*** TURN *** [8d 6h Js] [Jh]
pelusahome leaves the table
villain: checks
kommpa: checks

*** TURN *** [8d 6h Js] [Jh]
pelusahome leaves the table
villain: checks
kommpa: checks

*** RIVER *** [8d 6h Js Jh] [4c]

villain: checks
kommpa: bets $1.20
villain: raises $1.20 to $2.40
kommpa: folds

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This is my review on this hand, (if you are allergic to horrifying grammer please dont read)

#1

PRE:

Raising 3x EP 5handed with T9s is fine, the players in the blinds are passive so I will hopefully get one or more call's and get possition.

FLOP:

I thought he would bet like that with something like a 8, a 6 or a draw just to controll the bet sizing. Looking back, there arent many draws out, if he got a 6, 8 or J I could get alot of money if I hit the straight so by raising I am just folding out some weak hands that might could bet the turn as well even if I hit? or will he call with the weak hands and I am just building the pot? I think I am more of building the pot here, witch

TURN:

after he checkes I check behind, probebly to see the next card and hope that I hit, and If it is becuse I want to hit I must assume that he has something strong, otherwise I could bluff him off, or build the pot without being scared of a raise, if I bet 1.5$ into 2.7$ if he calls it will be 5.7$ in the pot, if I hit I could raise $3.5 - $5 and if I get called I will win $10.2 - 1.5$ becuse that what I put in on the turn = $8.7 so I guess the bet isnt profiteble, becuse I will only hit it 17% of the time and 1.5$ isnt 17% of 8.7$, So even if he never raises turn and calls every river value bet it is still not worth it, If he folds on the turn maybe 50% of the time OTT we can add 2.7$ to the 8.7$ and see that we now got 11.4$ so we can now bet profittible, but will he fold 50% of the time? and can I get the Vbet 100% of the time OTR? I dont think so. If he do have the 8 or 6 I dont think he will call the river Vbet, but I got 6 more outs to beat him, and I am IP so I can check behind OTR so I got 30% but than I also dont have the River Vbet anymore, But 1.5$ into 4.2 (if he calls) is good enough with 30% and if he does not raise J I can get some value from that and It will be profitible, So that is probebly the best plan

RIVER:

he checks again and I deciede to bluff, I think he would bet a J but I still put him on an 8 or a 6 and they will call 100% of the time so I dont think this whas a well though plan. The fact that he min-raises though, I cant put him on any other hand than J now right? he would call with 8 or 6 allways and he can only have 2 draws, and non of them are much likly in this spot. I ofc folded but I am stil wondering wtf he had.

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My questions is,

1. do you think this is a good way to post? writing the review aswell, or does that just make the entier thing useless?

2. Do you agree with the reviwe?

3. what would you have done ón each street and why?

Thank you!

I can't look at that...

SB: $16.69 (166.9bb)
BB: $7.48 (74.8bb)
Hero (MP): $11.75 (117.5bb)
CO: $14.27 (142.7bb)
BTN: $9.85 (98.5bb)

Prelop: Hero is CO with 9:spade:T:spade:
Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 8:diamond: 6:heart: J:spade: (2 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.00, SB calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.70) J:heart: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.70) 4:club: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.20,SB raises to $2.40, Hero folds

How did you do that? ^^

lets give villain a generic range and take it from there:

going off stats he's prob flatting way too much in the blinds so pre-flop calling range:TT-22,ATs-A2s,KJs-K8s,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,87s,AQo-A9o,KTo+,QTo+,JTo

Flop: he donks, ( raising donks by these kind of opp's is profitable a lot by the way) so good raise even if u weren't holding oesd., but i think when he just calls your bet his range is going to change
Flop range:http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: 8d6hJs
equity Win Tie
CO 41.42% 40.15% 1.27% { Ts9s }
SB 58.58% 57.31% 1.27% { TT-55, ATs-A6s, KJs-KTs, K8s, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, AQo-A9o, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

he folds out small pp's and still has a ton of draws .

no reads so a lot of guess work here...

Turn: Jh bad card for us, but i don't much like your cherck, it starts putting your hand face , and the idea your giving up.

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: 8d6hJsJh
Equity Win Tie
CO 24.63% 23.72% 0.90% { Ts9s }
SB 75.37% 74.47% 0.90% { TT-55, ATs-A6s, KJs-KTs, K8s, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, AQo-A9o, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

river:i'm really not sure what your bet is for OTR , check behind , as is fold

Why check behind on the turn?

I am not scard of putting my hand face becuse I dont think he will use the informaton for hes advantage, The J is the worst card and if I bet I think I will get called alot of the time if not all the time, so why should I bet? A semi-bluff without fold equity isnt that good. The bet OTR is awful becuse I think I will get called maybe even more than on the turn and I got no draw anymore and I cant scare him with a threat of a big bet OTR. But often when someone check 2 streets they tend to not have that much, thats why I bet the river.

mr_kommpa said:

I am not scard of putting my hand face becuse I dont think he will use the informaton for hes advantage, The J is the worst card and if I bet I think I will get called alot of the time if not all the time, so why should I bet? A semi-bluff without fold equity isnt that good. The bet OTR is awful becuse I think I will get called maybe even more than on the turn and I got no draw anymore and I cant scare him with a threat of a big bet OTR. But often when someone check 2 streets they tend to not have that much, thats why I bet the river.

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Will you bet if you really have a J or sets? If you think your large bet size will still have callers, you may get lots of values from the villains.

Yea, I would allways bet a J, set or overpair. And I think that a big bet will make him fold maybe 1/3 times if he has 22, 33, 44 and maybe fold a 6 once in a while (donr ask me what 6 is in my range but I am sure it is some). So I checked becuse I thought this whas a Vbet spot and this isnt a Vbet hand (if I cant bet a small amount and making it realistik to get stackd in OTR witch I cant),

mr_kommpa said:

Yea, I would allways bet a J, set or overpair. And I think that a big bet will make him fold maybe 1/3 times if he has 22, 33, 44 and maybe fold a 6 once in a while (donr ask me what 6 is in my range but I am sure it is some). So I checked becuse I thought this whas a Vbet spot and this isnt a Vbet hand (if I cant bet a small amount and making it realistik to get stackd in OTR witch I cant),

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Alright, so just check the river behind. If the villain is a calling station, why bet when you show weakness on the turn? If the villain is easy to lay down his hands, why not cbet the turn? Your logic is not quite consistent.

I said that the river bluff whas awful, If I could undo it I would, and rhat whas what I ment when I said that it whaant a well thought plan thanks for you respons though!

mr_kommpa said:

I said that the river bluff whas awful, If I could undo it I would, and rhat whas what I ment when I said that it whaant a well thought plan thanks for you respons though!

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Good luck!