Suited Connecotrs On The Cut Off

Can i get some advice about this hand please

Also how do you approach minimum bettors?

100NL 6MAX

Villain UNKNOWN

Thanks

Hero ($292.56)
Button ($9.78)
SB ($87.42)
BB ($77.46)
UTG ($100)
MP ($210)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 , 7 .
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) T , Q , 8 (2 players)
BB bets $7, Hero calls $7.

Turn: ($22.50) K (2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero raises to $14, BB calls $13.

River: ($50.50) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $50.50

Out of interest I will go through this stage by stage - see what I would have done.

ColdDeckCity said:

Can i get some advice about this hand lease

Also how do you approach minimum bettors?

100NL 6MAX

Villain UNKNOWN

Thanks

Hero ($292.56)
Button ($9.78)
SB ($87.42)
BB ($77.46)
UTG ($100)
MP ($210)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8

, 7

.
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3. (I would have probably limped)

Flop: ($8.50) T

, Q

, 8

(2 players)
BB bets $7, Hero calls $7. (With out knowing much about the guy he either has small pp, Ace high or he has hit the flop)

Turn: ($22.50) K

(2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero raises to $14, BB calls $13. (I think I`m slowing up here mate. You now have bottom pair with 3 over cards and a straight possible out there. I would have checked this down from here if allowed. If he had raised I would probably have folded)

River: ($50.50) 7

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $50.50

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My guess is he has set/ big pp/ AJ or KJ. In my opinion, u wanted to know where u were. He was slow playing u on the river.

What did he have? As you have posted this, I`m guessing set of 7`s on river?

Looks like villain is drawing on the turn. Otherwise, why lead out for full pot on the flop, and then donk-lead the turn? I raise this just like you did. The 7 only completed the 6T draw, so I'd probably bet the river as well.

Rest looks standard.

As far as how to approach min-bettors, it really depends on what type of player they are. Most of the time its weakness, but I see it more and more often these days to induce a raise. Notes on what a min-bet means are pretty valuable. Coming from a small stack like this, its probably weakness.

I think you missed a value bet on the river when you hit your 2nd pair. Lots of single pair hands look you up there and even if he folds at least the table doesn't get to see your cards.

WVHillbilly said:

I think you missed a value bet on the river when you hit your 2nd pair. Lots of single pair hands look you up there and even if he folds at least the table doesn't get to see your cards.

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Yeah, totally missed that, but you certainly missed value on the river.

I will echo the sentiment about the river. I think you usually get ripped on the turn with two pair or better seeing as how it's a big drawing board. I'm guessing AA, JJ, QJ, KJ, JT something like that. I'd expect AA, KJ, and maybe QJ to pay you off, which I think is enough for a modest value bet on the river.

I'd probably fold flop. You raised preflop and now he opens out of position on a coordinated flop. Unless he's a very tricky player, it's not a bluff and you're way behind.

I understand the play on the turn, but I don't know if it's a very good idea. His little blocking bet looks very weak, but it also looks to me like a hand that may not fold to a normal sized raise on the turn. I'd think he has some combination of pair and/or draw or potentially a monster. So in other words, if you're going with this bluff, I think you have to fire another barrel on the river for it to have a decent chance of working. If you're not comfortable firing twice, then I'd just call the turn.

I think those min-bets are generally blocking bets. The bettor doesn't want to check out of position and induce a large bet. However, a blocking bet does express an interest in continuing with the hand. If he thought he were way behind, why would he min-bet? He's almost guaranteed to get called, so he's just throwing money away with the worst hand. He shouldn't have any qualms about check/folding. So I would say the villain probably thinks he at least has a decent number of outs. Sometimes min-bets are ill-conceived feeler bets, and the bettor will fold to a raise. But due to the preflop call and the texture of the board, I'd be very surprised if that were the case here. Clever players may min-bet with big hands to induce a raise because it deceptively looks like he's trying to keep the pot small for the reasons I've just described. I've also seen many bad players min-bet unpaired AK, but that doesn't apply in this hand.

Preflop is fine, as is the flop call. Donk-bets can have so many different meanings that you should not be folding the flop.
The turn min-donk is certainly weird. In my experience, this is often a Queen that's scared of the King. I don't mind turning your hand into a bluff at that point if you think you can make him fold a Queen.

On the river, you unexpectedly improve your hand, so you don't have to barrel as a bluff. Unlike previous posters, I'm not convinced that this is a good value-betting spot. On this type of board it's very hard to imagine a worse hand that's going to call. KJ will call, a strong Queen might call, but that's about it.
The problem is how coordinated the board is. There are a zillion stronger two pairs out there along with several possible straights.

P.S.: I generally value-bet a lot thinner than most players but would be inclined to check this river back. Just to put things into perspective.

viking999 said:

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I'd probably fold flop. You raised preflop and now he opens out of position on a coordinated flop. Unless he's a very tricky player, it's not a bluff and you're way behind.
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I disagree about the OOP leading out meaning strenght,usualy when i see it it means weakness or a drawing hand and i re-raise alot of the time even if i have nothing.

sindri_93 said:

I disagree about the OOP leading out meaning strenght,usualy when i see it it means weakness or a drawing hand and i re-raise alot of the time even if i have nothing.

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Agreed, opponents will often donk into the preflop raiser with air. Most good hands are check/raising.

yeah i kinda like the check raise, but you have to do it at tthe right time, i think i would have bet on river there after hitting two pair, but the check i like cause u dont lose no more money and won so congrats

So what did he have?
I need an understanding of donk mentality when they take this line.

btw, I usually just treat the min bet as a check. In other words, I ignore it: I'll call if I was going to check, and I'll raise if I was going to bet. I experimented with the "re-donk" for a short period of time: I would auto-min raise their min bet p) but I am unconvinced that this was a successful strategy.